[TG1]

OK I am here to recruit a team of dedicated rules developers to help me develop a set of rules that cover Imperial Armies during the Age of Apostasy. I'll need a fluff master and several people to help me develop rules. After the group is big enough we can start developing. So sign up the Emperor needs you. Or Vandire but really do you want to fight a twelve foot gold monster marine i didn't think so:grin:

 

[koyukichan]

I'm interested but I know nothing about this subject. Where can I read up on this?

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

google it, and lexicanum and few other sites should pop up

As for rules development, sure I'll pitch in. It's mostly ecclesiarchal differences, as before the Age of Apostasy, there were no rules barring the Ecclesiarchy from having their own armies... the Decree Passive was only created after Goge Vandire's death by the Ordo Hereticus. Much fluff on the subject can be found in the Witch Hunter's codex, as that details the origins of the Adeptus Sororitas... and the whyfore of it. Also, main rulebook has some timeline related info, but not as detailed.

 

[koyukichan]

Seems like it'll be a bit much for me, sorry I'm gonna sit this one out.

 

[Baron Spikey]

OK I am here to recruit a team of dedicated rules developers to help me develop a set of rules that cover Imperial Armies during the Age of Apostasy. I'll need a fluff master and several people to help me develop rules. After the group is big enough we can start developing. So sign up the Emperor needs you. Or Vandire but really do you want to fight a twelve foot gold monster marine i didn't think so:grin:

Vandire was a 12ft tall gold monster marine? I don't think he was, in fact I'm fairly sure he was just a normal human- Valdor was the Captain-General of the Custodians and even he was only about 8ft tall max.

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

I think he meant that playing on Vandire's side would pit you *against* a 12-ft-tall golden monster marine called Emperator Dei... Primarchs were taller than space marines (8ft marine, 10 ft primarch?) supposedly, the Emperor dwarfed his "sons" as they dwarfed their sires. (erego, Empy = 10-12-foot tall golden armored monster marine)

 

[Vaz]

The Emperor would have been on the throne.

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

Yes. He would. I didn't say he was right, I was just pointing out our beloved Baron was wrong. [hides from ban-hammer]

 

[TG1]

thanks belthazor Aurelius!! much appreciated

 

[Baron Spikey]

Yes. He would. I didn't say he was right, I was just pointing out our beloved Baron was wrong. [hides from ban-hammer]

I am merely a man not a God, I'm not infallible (well ok I might at a push be called a demi-god but definitely not better than that).

Make sure you point out how Darth Vader-ish the Sisters of Battle are- throughout the Age of Apostasy they're the bad guys (I don't care what they thought of themselves and the reasons they were fighting) until at the last moment they turned on Vandire (or should I say Palpatine?) when his truly evil side was revealed.
They still, undoubtedly, did horrific things to otherwise innocent people under orders from Vandire but apparently robbing the real 'good' guys of their righteous kill at the last moment wipes away all their sins.

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

Baron Spikey: I'm sorry. It seems so rare when you're not spot on the money, I had to mark it as a rare calendar event.

As to the Darth Vaderisms of the SoBs, I agree. Except I doubt that Emperor Palpatine ever had Darth Vader supplicating hymns of unending bliss on his knees to the Emperor... (read into it, I dare you).

The Brides of the Emperor were more like Vandire's Harem, along with being his most elite, ruthless and cunning bodyguards... well, except for Sister Ruth. She wasn't Ruth-less...

And I think the reason the Sisters focus so much on atonement now is that simply killing Vandire did not absolve them. They were allowed to carry on under the Degree Passive as the lone body of military might available to the Ecclesiarchy, and even then, they're not exclusively responsible to the church. They also have to answer any summons by the Ordo Hereticus, or even the Ordo Malleus. On top of that, they have both the Arco Flagellants (not necessarily women, so much as captured heretics turned penitent) and the Sisters Repentia to show how much the Adeptus Sororitas and the Ordo Hereticus have not forgiven the Brides of the Emperor...

But that they are human, and therefore not perfect, the organization is allowed to continue, with some changes, and serve the Emperor (which was what they'd been intent on from the off).

EDIT: 1) I realize I just stole your reply on being human... 2) Ordo Malleus would be able to summon them through the allies rule. Where, your main force is DH, but you don't field GK, and instead field SoB (not much difference in DH and WH aside from the specialist units, but it's still a distinction, if you want a fluff reason to say the Inquisitor has a daemonhammer).

 

[TG1]

I thought the sisters were formed after the Apostasy. werent the brides of the Emperor the equivalent
Ok ive just read a detailed fluff explanation I think we need to include rules for the following armies:
Ecclesiarchy ( pre vandire)
Ecclesiarchy( post Vandire)
Also possibly( due to heighten activity)
genestealer cults
As well as maybe new units for Orks AND CHAOS

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

Ork Lootas with crozius arcanums!

The current incarnation of Adepta Sororitas, as we know them now, yes, was founded after the fall of Goge Vandire. However, they were still a sisterhood prior to his death, and most of the Brides of the Emperor alive during the siege were founding members of the Adepta Sororitas. So, forgive me if I mistakenly called them SoB, when talking about their Darth Vaderisms.

Also, the SoB are still pretty badass, and violent, so it's not like they stopped being Darth Vaderinas. They just changed which Sith Lord they were loyal to... From the High Lord of the Administratum to the Emperor himself.

 

[TG1]

Thanks for the clarity It kinda confused me a bit

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

So, are you looking to make an Army List just for the Ecclesiarchy? (Frateris Templar)

Or are you looking to make lists for various enemies that were stronger at that time too?

 

[TG1]

Yes to the second. Orks and chaos were subsatinally stronger in the apostasy so it would only be fair to represent that

 

[entraialartist]

the genestealer cult bit would be easy as there is an army list on bell of lost souls
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2008/02/play-aid-genestealer-cults-mini-dex.html
(am i allowed to post that?:scratchhead:
does that violate copyright (hides from ban-hammer as well):security:
probably only need to change the weapons to reflect the weapons at the time
also will there be a custodian codex cause i think somone did one a while back but there is also one in bell of lost souls aswell

 

[TG1]

we can post a link but make amendments to it. I have some rules from tempestus fugitives for custodians they need fleshing out but they should do

 

[Belthazor Aurellius]

I'd love to see what you do with the Genestealers.

I got an idea for the Frateris Templar, lemme know what you think.

HQ
Cardinal 0-1

Points: 65

WS 4
BS 4
S 3
T 3
W 3
I 4
A 2
Ld 10
Sv 4+

Wargear: Rosarius, The Bishop may purchase up to 50 points in wargear, and 30 points of weaponry from the Witch Hunters Armory. (obviously, only items not marked with a number 1-5)

Fanatical, Righteous Fury, Independent Character (Unless he takes henchmen)

A Bishop may be accompanied by the henchmen from the Witch-Hunters codex, as if the Bishop were an Inquisitor (0-6 henchmen) except for the familiar, as Bishops are not psykers.

The Bishop may ride in a Chimera or Rhino for the points cost, and with the available upgrades listed in the Witch Hunters Codex.

EDIT: fixed the Weapon/Ballistic skills. I figure he shouldn't have stats of 5 for those. He's mostly preaching and ministering, or working the church's bureaucracy. However, I can see how a man like that (who lives to be 250 before dying of old age) would have the time to gain some combat proficiency.

EDIT: EDIT: Of course, the fact that the Imperium could keep him alive until he's 250 doesn't mean he'll live past 125 =P

 

[TG1]

I like it but maybe up the WS and BS a little