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1.Prior to the nurgle infection, what were the death guards speciality? I know every legion had a speciality, guerilla, stealth, psychological warare, etc. But what was the death guards?

2. I've heard the death guard were very resilliant and tough, was this pertaining to just drinking poisons, or to damage as well? Did they heal fast, get sick, in comparison to oher astartes how much tougher were they?

3. The deathguard primarch, how does he look? I've only ever seen pictures of him with his mask and robotic looking suit on, does he have to wear this at all times or can he take it off?

4. Did the death guard primarch have any special abilities, powers? Like russ's psyker immunity/ressiliance, haunters psyker telekenitic shockwave, corax invisibility, etc. How strong was he in combat?

5. Prior to nurgles infection, what were the deathguard doing in the heresey? What was their role?

6. How did they get infected in the warp? Did the geller field fail? How did nurgle get into the ships? And how did nurgle infect them, if he could forcefully infect and turn themcould not nurgle do this to every legion?
 

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Read Flight of the Eisenstein.

Basically they were always resilience type guys, immunising themselves to poisons and such to better survive harsh environs.

Mortarion is described as being tall and gaunt, with pale skin if I remember correctly. I cannot remember if he has any particular abilities though.

As I understand it, Mortarion sided with Horus and his ideals, believing the Emperor to have failed/betrayed them. Nurgle took advantage of a failed gellar field on their ships to make sure they would serve him... permanently.


This is all guesswork based on my loose memory of Eisenstein. If I`m wrong, other heretics correct me.
 

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1.Prior to the nurgle infection, what were the death guards speciality? I know every legion had a speciality, guerilla, stealth, psychological warare, etc. But what was the death guards?

They were the relentless tough guys, that used massed tactical advance to win. They did not have many tanks or specialist troops

2. I've heard the death guard were very resilliant and tough, was this pertaining to just drinking poisons, or to damage as well? Did they heal fast, get sick, in comparison to oher astartes how much tougher were they?

They were just tough, the trials to become a death guard were far harsher than to become say an ultramarine. They were hard nuts

3. The deathguard primarch, how does he look? I've only ever seen pictures of him with his mask and robotic looking suit on, does he have to wear this at all times or can he take it off?

Mortarion always wore a collar that produced clouds of poison gas to remind him of barbarus, his home world, were the atmosphere was semi toxic, he like most primarchs is generally shown in his wargear.

4. Did the death guard primarch have any special abilities, powers? Like russ's psyker immunity/ressiliance, haunters psyker telekenitic shockwave, corax invisibility, etc. How strong was he in combat?

He was quite stealthy in Eisenstein, but really hes the version of the reaper, death incarnate, he didn't need any special power

5. Prior to nurgles infection, what were the deathguard doing in the heresey? What was their role?

Deathguard were generally sent to very hostile environments to purge xenos, they also played a key role in scourging alot of space hulks.

6. How did they get infected in the warp? Did the geller field fail? How did nurgle get into the ships? And how did nurgle infect them, if he could forcefully infect and turn them could not nurgle do this to every legion?

The Deathguard fleet got lost in the warp after 1st company captain Typon killed the navigators, the geller fields eventually failed and he got in. The death guards toughness stopped them from dying to the plagues he unleashed, they were on the brink of death but could not die, eventually Mortarion cried out for deliverence and a vioce answered.....

Theoretically any ship in the warp is the chaos gods playthings if the geller fields fail.
Hope that helps answer what you want, If you like deathguard do read flight of the Eisenstein though it goes into far more detail and Garro is and awesome character
 

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Thank you both for the replys, I have more questions pertaining to other legions.

Luna Wolves
1. What was the luna wolves speciality? So dg was mass tactical advance, and use of mass infantry, what was theluna wolves speciality of war or style they excelled in?

2. How big was the luna wolves legion in comparison to the others?

3. Did horus have any special abilities? Like corax invisibility, haunters tk wave, russ psyker immunity etc.

4. How proficient was horus in one versus one combat? I've read several sources about this, in one horus himself states that four primarchs bested him in combat, while haunter is an unknown since he states he didn't train him or with him, so potentially five primarchs his one vs one combat superior? In another source, by corax, he states that perhaps only sang or horus could defeat anron, when horus thought corax was one of the four primarchs his superior in duels.

5. How tactically intelligent was horus? Could he out strategize alpharius/omegron?

6. What was his wargear? What weapons, what type of armor?

Also what was moratorions (dg primarch) wargear? Powerarmor, term armor? What weapons, accesories, etc.

7. What was horus style of combat, his preference? Both in strategic command of his legion and in one vs one?

8. How profecient were the lunar wolves in ship to shp combat?
 

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as to the question of Mortarion with pyschic abilities, he frowned upon powers of the warp as seen in A Thousand Son. One of the few legions who did not have librarians. I mean even the worlds eaters had librarians at one point.

Thank you both for the replys, I have more questions pertaining to other legions.

Luna Wolves
1. What was the luna wolves speciality? So dg was mass tactical advance, and use of mass infantry, what was theluna wolves speciality of war or style they excelled in?

they were a legion that used the element of rapid assault with a use of a highly effective "spear tip" composed of ussually they most powerful warriors. From the Heresy novels they seem to use a lot drop pods, but not very many vehichals.

2. How big was the luna wolves legion in comparison to the others?

It was one of the bigger legions. Though I'm going off details and not to specifics, I would say it was maybe third in numbers right behind the ultra marines and word bearers

3. Did horus have any special abilities? Like corax invisibility, haunters tk wave, russ psyker immunity etc.

none stated yet. But it is assumed that all primarchs had pychic ammunity of some kind. Horus was a great tactician and diplomat before turning and most like the emperor in terms of having that vision of regaining the galaxy for humanity.

4. How proficient was horus in one versus one combat? I've read several sources about this, in one horus himself states that four primarchs bested him in combat, while haunter is an unknown since he states he didn't train him or with him, so potentially five primarchs his one vs one combat superior? In another source, by corax, he states that perhaps only sang or horus could defeat anron, when horus thought corax was one of the four primarchs his superior in duels.

In collected visions it states that Horus was perhaps the best in close combat as he was trained by the Emperor himself and second to none... even hinting that he was greater than the emperor. In Raven's Flight Corax states that Corax could not defeat angron and that there were only few that could best him, Horus being first and "perhaps" sanguinus. But no particular order really. Though there is new fluff that have made more of the primarchs seem tougher than they were before I would still stick with Horus probably being the tougher close combat primarch

5. How tactically intelligent was horus? Could he out strategize alpharius/omegron?

Defensivly I would say no, as the alpha legion was very good with infliteration, however Horus was a very quick primarch who made his assaults on planets fast with his luna wolves. His legion was a legion that used a fast and suprise element, while the alpha legion were known to use offense but used time and infliteration as their key elements.

6. What was his wargear? What weapons, what type of armor?

His most infamous weapon was his power claw. I have also heard him using a sword, though that famous painting with him and sanguinus with the emperor shows him using a mace. I think he used some good power armour as many of the primarchs are not known to use terminator armour.

Also what was moratorions (dg primarch) wargear? Powerarmor, term armor? What weapons, accesories, etc.

the man reaper, and I might be mistaken in this one, but i think he had terminator armour. But don't quote me on this one. As with most death guard, their armour was plane and without trophies like most legions.

7. What was horus style of combat, his preference? Both in strategic command of his legion and in one vs one?

don't really know, however when reading on Abbadon's fight with Loken and Horus' fight with the emperor it seemed as they used brute force when in close combat leaving stratedegy while watching and before deploying.


8. How profecient were the lunar wolves in ship to shp combat?
No specific information that I know yet, but if he was able to penetrate and get through terra's defences I would say pretty proficient.
Hopes this helps, however I'm sure there is more information out there amongst the others in this heresy populace that could probably be a little more specific.:victory:
 

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2. How big was the luna wolves legion in comparison to the others?
We know that the Ultramarines were the largest Legion by a wide margin, we know that the Word Bearers were te second biggest Legion- we can only guess though regarding the size of the Luna Wolves, but as crawford said it makes sense that Horus' Legion was amongst the biggest, they were the favoured Legion and Horus would have used all his influence to ensure they were as mighty and numerous as possible.


In regards to Legions in general they nearly all had a counter part Legion that had a similar M.O (or at least that's how Horus manipulated them to get better results in the Great Crusade), such as the Blood Angels & World Eaters, the Iron Warriors & Imperial Fists, the Salamanders & Death Guard etc
 

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The salamanders and deathguard were counterparts? In what way.

What were all the legions counterparts?
 

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The salamanders and deathguard were counterparts? In what way.

What were all the legions counterparts?
Mostly via rivalries between primarchs.

Magnus vs. Russ

Alpharius/Omegon vs. Roboute Guilliman

Perturabo vs. Rogal Dorn

Fulgrim vs. Ferrus Manus...though that was a more tragic example than anything.

Angron vs. Sanguinius...though to be more accurate it's probably the Blood Angels vs. Khorne

I'm not sure about the Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and Salamanders though. All three legions were practically destroyed in the Dropsite Massacre and didn't see much fighting afterwards.

As for the Word Bearers and Night Lords; given the preference for senseless brutality from the latter and the zealotry of the former even before turning to Chaos I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone liked either of them. Konrad Curze seemed as if he was corrupted from the start and his legion had turned rogue before the Heresy even began. Lorgar was easy to turn once his "God" scolded him.
 

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1.Prior to the nurgle infection, what were the death guards speciality? I know every legion had a speciality, guerilla, stealth, psychological warare, etc. But what was the death guards?

Also the Death Guard were used as siege breakers. As Dorn was known for building of forts, they were known for the taking down of of said forts.


It was believed that Mortarion was well pissed off that Dorn had the praise for being the ultimate siege builder and destroyer. And thought his Legion was over looked by the big E.

I also read some where that Horus knew this and to help him turn Mortarion to his side he sent his legion to every tough fort worlds which took months of back breaking work to take the forts down, which in turn once they got in to the fort they just run riot and destroyed everything and one.

Though to keep him on said Horus was making out that these orders were coming from his father which in the long run made it easier for Mortarion to be turn.

This was taken from memory from one of the Index Astartes and other fluff. books which i read when they first came out. Which is quite long ago. ut as accurate as i could remember


Hope this helps a bit.
 

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Also the Death Guard were used as siege breakers. As Dorn was known for building of forts, they were known for the taking down of of said forts.


It was believed that Mortarion was well pissed off that Dorn had the praise for being the ultimate siege builder and destroyer. And thought his Legion was over looked by the big E.

I also read some where that Horus knew this and to help him turn Mortarion to his side he sent his legion to every tough fort worlds which took months of back breaking work to take the forts down, which in turn once they got in to the fort they just run riot and destroyed everything and one.

Though to keep him on said Horus was making out that these orders were coming from his father which in the long run made it easier for Mortarion to be turn.

This was taken from memory from one of the Index Astartes and other fluff. books which i read when they first came out. Which is quite long ago. ut as accurate as i could remember


Hope this helps a bit.
That sounds more like something that would fit Perturabo, to be honest :\
 

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As for the Word Bearers and Night Lords; given the preference for senseless brutality from the latter and the zealotry of the former even before turning to Chaos I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone liked either of them. Konrad Curze seemed as if he was corrupted from the start and his legion had turned rogue before the Heresy even began. Lorgar was easy to turn once his "God" scolded him.
of course I have no rivals, noone can even start to compare themselves to ME! Also, if they did rival me, they would be no more, so I obviosly have no rivals, I end all threats to my greatness!:laugh:
 

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of course I have no rivals, noone can even start to compare themselves to ME! Also, if they did rival me, they would be no more, so I obviosly have no rivals, I end all threats to my greatness!:laugh:
Then why did The Emperor prefer Guilliman to Lorgar?
 

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That sounds more like something that would fit Perturabo, to be honest :
Ah yeah you may be right there pal.


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These answers have been very informative, I am thrilled to learn so very much!

I have a new batch of questions now!

Emperor's Children
1. What were the Emperor's children speciality of war/combat? What was it they superior in above all the other legions in specifics to war? IE alpha legion was infiltration/indirect combat, luna wolves was rapid spear headed assault, etc etc.

2. Did Fulgrim have any special psyker abilities like some of the other primarchs? TK blast, invisibility, pre-cognition, etc.

3. What was Fulgrim's wargear load out? Did he use power armor, terminator armor, what was his prefered weapon/weapons, and armor type?

4. What kind of general was Fulgrim and how did he stack up in comparison to the other primarchs in terms of tactical genius?

5. How did fulgrim stack up to the other primarchs in terms of 1 versus 1 combat? What kind of fighter was he in 1 v 1? How strong, how fast, what was his fighting style?

5b. If you were to rank Fulgrim 1-20 with 1 being highest, how well he did in 1v1 combat, where would you put him?

6. How did Fulgrim look in appearance?

7. What was the mirror image/counterpart to the Emperor's children? (did they have one?). IE both ravenguard and nightlords are commando based armies, while ultramarines and word bearers are bother heavily centralized convential armies, etc etc. Who was there opposite?
 

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#1 Fulgrim was a perfectionist, not much else I know although he wasn't the best at anything. They had a similar fighting style to ultramarines from what I remember.

#2 No.

#3 Artificer armor, Fireblade and later a Daemon weapon.

#4 He was good, maybe 4th or 5th.

#5 Tbh he would have lost to Manus if the daemon hadn't saved his ass.

#5b It would be out of 18 and maybe 9, 13 on a bad day.

#6 Tall, obviously, white hair and handsome.

#7 TBH they fought like ultramarines.
 

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Yeah but they didn't really utilize the fast spearhead style and with the perfectionist aspect it sounded more ultramarines to be but that could be so.
 

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salamanders and death guard can be looked as chapters that believe in toughening the body. death guard by chemichals and salamanders with fire/branding
I believe Imperial Fists are into using the pain-glove which pretty much overloads the nerves with pain...I guess it was their way of meditating



as for what you said about Horus being the master at close-combat (Second to the Emperor) I believe Leman Russ had beat him in close combat once, but I forgot when
 
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