[Apocalypse]

I may not collect tau, but I'm curious.
Why are kroot part of the tau race? I mean, why aren't kroot spererate to tau?
I just wanna know really.:grin:

 

[Engelus]

the tau are essentially a communistic empire with the attitude of join the greater good, or die. they use subversive tactics like propaganda and mind control to absorb other cultures into their empire.

 

[Frostbite]

If you don't know, don't say anything Engelus. While they do that with a few other races, the Kroot are exceptions to that. The Kroot joined the Empire after Tau colonists helped the Kroot fight off an invasion of Pech by Orks. Seeing the value of incorporating the Kroot into the fold, the Tau offered the Kroot race protection in exchange for their services. As such, nearly all Kroot serve the Empire. However, they do send out Mercenary Companies (Check the GW site for rules on those) quite often to further their genetic stock. So while perhaps 90% of Kroot fight for the Empire, there are quite a few who fight for everybody else, from IG to Dark Eldar.

 

[cccp]

kroot are mercenaries. thats why you can have a pure kroot mercs list!

 

[ACoz]

Like Frostbite said, the Kroot and the Tau have an arrangement.

The Tau helped the Kroot fight off an orcish invasion, and then made a deal with them, so the Kroot are, for all intents and purposes, part of the Tau Empire.

The Kroot, however, have a mercenary mentality, that's pretty much part of thier whole evolutionary process: They will fight for reward. That reward is usually secondary to them getting to sample new genetics for their whole wierd evolutionary processes.

That said, the Tau find the whole mercenary "fighting for reward" and not for The Greater Good thing to be completely alien. And if the tau discovered the Kroot are selling themselves out as mercenaries, they'd be very upset.

As a result, the Kroot take great effort to keep the tau from coming across these merc warbands.

Or so I've read.

 

[Someguy]

The veiled references to mind control in the Tau empire refer to the Tau themselves being controlled by the mysterious etherials, not to aliens (or humans) who join the empire. This carries across into the game so that Tau units gain benefits to their morale if an etherial is present and penalties if he dies, none of which affects kroot or vespids.

 

[ACoz]

The veiled references to mind control in the Tau empire refer to the Tau themselves being controlled by the mysterious etherials, not to aliens (or humans) who join the empire...

True, except the Vespid were somewhat opposed to the Tau, and the Water Caste had an incredibly difficult time even communicating with the planet's leaders, until the Tau Earth Caste created the communtication interface devices... after which, the Vespid immediately and unconditionally accepted their place in the Empire, and they bow to the Etherials without any debate whatsoever.

Rumors point suggest this is because all Vespid leaders wear the interface helmet thingies.

Of course, no evidence exists to prove any of these allegations.

 

[The Wraithlord]

Moved to Fluff as that is a more appropriate area for this thread.


The Wraithlord
Heretic High Council

 

[Someguy]

I'm fairly sure that vespids don't actually exist and were just made up for propaganda purposes by the water cast. That way it seems like more guys are joining their club. I mean has anyone ever actually seen a vespid in a game of 40k?

I rest my case. :victory:

 

[ACoz]

Um... I've got some Vespid.

 

[Elchimpster]

Have you ever actually used them on the table?

[I have some vespid as well...but never use them]

 

[Asmodai]

I'm fairly sure that vespids don't actually exist and were just made up for propaganda purposes by the water cast. That way it seems like more guys are joining their club. I mean has anyone ever actually seen a vespid in a game of 40k?

I rest my case. :victory:

Statistically speaking, they'd be better off recruiting a planet of big-boobed amazons. At least they'd regularly show up for battle.

 

[ACoz]

To be fair, I haven't played any battles, at all, in forever and a day.

But, I would use my Vespid.

At least once.

 

[cccp]

iv seen them used. their guns are good, but there are other things tau can take which are better.

 

[obsidian492]

I thought they were awesome SM killers - I've never been up against any though.

 

[cccp]

yup, s5 ap3 guns, awesome. but they are pretty frail IIRC, and also pretty expensive.

 

[Ordo Xeno Commander]

You can buy Vespid Models and they have a place in the Tau Empire codex, so im fairly sure they exist. i was advised to take some when i played tau (2 armies ago)

 

[Fat Cat Hay]

I have not used them but i have vs vespids they are good in combat but they never got into combat because i shot them with a battle cannon

 

[thomas2]

I just looked in the codex and realised how poor Vespid are. They cost more than a SM and thanks to thier poor armour and SM accuracy a space marine is as likely to kill a vespid in a single bolter shot as a vespid is likely to kill an sm in a single shot, and bolter have rapid fire and longer range, while a bolt pistol + CC weapon is much beter in CC.

 

[Someguy]

Yeah vespids are terrible. Fire warriors, thanks to rapid fire, are more points-efficient marine killers within 12" and they get to shoot up to 30". Kroot are even better. Vespids are less good at their main job than even your most basic troops. They also aren't as tough or numerous as fire warriors or kroot (if the kroot are in cover).

Then of course there is the problem that not every game is against marines and you can't always get the vespids to a good target. Try out vespids against a hormagaunt brood or a terminator squad? No.

Shooting vespids with a battlecannon is a waste of a shot. You should probably just lasgun them to death or have your guardsmen charge them. Or ignore them completely. They are absolute trash.