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So after reading the thread about Gaming and Hobby players it got me to think.
Are there really power gamers or are they people that are just really tough opponents. It wasn't to long ago that just about anything got you labeled as "cheesy" now certain things get you labeled a power gamer.

What do you think is a power gamer? Are they the scum of the earth or just tough opponents that make you try hard and use tactics and skill to beat them?
 

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well I don't think a powergamer is someone that uses a competitive list. I think it;s more someone who goes to a LGS or tournament or any game with the attitude " I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to win"
Like I run fairly competitive lists but I'd joke around the whole time, makign the game a much more relaxed environment and making it more enjoyable(Playing porn music when a tanks rear armour get's penetrated etc)


A term I haven't seen a while actually is beardy.... Haven't seen that since 5th came round.....
 

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Personally, I've always considered a "power gamer" someone who is constantly playing. Could almost consider them addicted. Way back when, when my (then) group played Mordheim, we were "power gamers". We'd play all day saturday and even some sundays. Game after game after game. We'd stop for a burger king run, bring the food back, and play as we ate. Or, better yet, we'd order pizza so we didnt have to stop! lol. Was alot of fun, hope that when I start playing 40k (still just painting and collecting atm) that I find a group as fun as they were.
 

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power gamers do exist, and they are nothing more than scum, most competitive players are usually bad enough, having to listen to them preach the gospel of every codex being useless, criticizing your lists to the point you may as well just become there twin they make so many changes to it.

but power gamers, or WAAC gamers (usually the same people) I cannot stand at all, ignorant, usually quite dumb, cheating little gits, who only argue over stupid rules, and stretch every rule to the limits to gain even the slightest advantage over someone else.

they are people you try to avoid, but never fully can, and there all you practically bump into these days inside GW's, picking on the new kids to inflate there ego, so they can gloat over how amazing they are over on 40k forums.
 

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I tend to consider myself a competitive gamer and I have no problem with power gamers if they follow the rules. There is nothing wrong with wanting to win, I hate to lose. Now what I do have a problem are ass holes.
 

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I have one of these Power Gamers at my LFHS. At least I classify him as a Power gamer, because he stretches all of the rules to his advantage always. Not to mention makes lists that are the most over powered lists possible.

The most recent game I had with this guy, he said he made up a 'fun' list with his guard with lots of infantry and very little armor. Since he said fun list I decided to make a fun list (foots logging eldar as I thought mech eldar would just be too strong as a fun list) as well. Turns out his fun lists armor was all Valkrys, Baskilists and a Manticore. And he stretched the rules so much that by turn 2 I was nearly wiped off the board and the whole time he was just smiling stupidly saying "wow my fun list is kicking your ass and you are doing this and this wrong"... after the game, I just wanted to stomp him for being such an ass hole.

That is what makes a power gamer in my eyes, some one who plays really competivietly, but is also a huge ass hole / duesh bag in the process.
 

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if they follow the rules, then there not really power gamers, not following the rules is sort of the point of being a power gamer
People who don't follow the rules are cheaters.

I always thought that power gamers were people who picked the best army they could and used every advantage within the rules to win, and this was their only objective.
 

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People who don't follow the rules are cheaters.

I always thought that power gamers were people who picked the best army they could and used every advantage within the rules to win, and this was their only objective.
thats a competitive gamer, at least they do follow the rules, power gamers don't follow the rules and make a competitive list harder to beat because of them not following the rules, or stretching them to a stupid point, or interpreting them to gain there own advantage, while the general consensus is opposite to theres (which in my book is basically cheating)

if someone doesn't follow the rules in a blindingly obvious manner and usually has a shitty 2 dimensional army (like a gunline in fantasy) thats a cheater
 

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Stretching is not breaking. Power gamers and cheaters are different things. A competitive gamer is like a power gamer in that they attempt to be as powerful as possible but they don't stretch the rules.
 

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Stretching is not breaking. Power gamers and cheaters are different things. A competitive gamer is like a power gamer in that they attempt to be as powerful as possible but they don't stretch the rules.
stretching IS basically breaking, sure its not full on breaking, but you've gotten to that point and it makes you no better a person no matter the desperate technicalities, if you can only win by stretching a rule to its limit to further suck the fun from the game, and your opponents will to live, you've cheated.
 

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People who don't follow the rules are cheaters.

I always thought that power gamers were people who picked the best army they could and used every advantage within the rules to win, and this was their only objective.
This! well in my area anyway.


thats a competitive gamer, at least they do follow the rules, power gamers don't follow the rules and make a competitive list harder to beat because of them not following the rules, or stretching them to a stupid point, or interpreting them to gain there own advantage, while the general consensus is opposite to theres (which in my book is basically cheating)
This to me is a WAAC - type of gamer, not a competitive/powergamer...totally different animal.
 

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Power gamers do exist..and they are notorious for trying to rule lawyer and preach why they are right and leave you standing there with your jaw on the floor looking at them like "Are you seriously that dumb..." These people usually are the ones that are very strict RAW..as long as the rule doesn't prevent them from doing something they want..at which point they become very flagrant and confused RAI..they will sit there and say "Well, GW meant this because of this and if you look at the wording, it's clear because..I said so." Yeah..those douches are the ones you want to avoid because they are trying to twist rules to their advantage..and are classic examples of Power Gamers.
 

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stretching IS basically breaking, sure its not full on breaking, but you've gotten to that point and it makes you no better a person no matter the desperate technicalities, if you can only win by stretching a rule to its limit to further suck the fun from the game, and your opponents will to live, you've cheated.
No it isn't. It's going against RAI but not AW.
 

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I have one of these Power Gamers at my LFHS. At least I classify him as a Power gamer, because he stretches all of the rules to his advantage always. Not to mention makes lists that are the most over powered lists possible.

The most recent game I had with this guy, he said he made up a 'fun' list with his guard with lots of infantry and very little armor. Since he said fun list I decided to make a fun list (foots logging eldar as I thought mech eldar would just be too strong as a fun list) as well. Turns out his fun lists armor was all Valkrys, Baskilists and a Manticore. And he stretched the rules so much that by turn 2 I was nearly wiped off the board and the whole time he was just smiling stupidly saying "wow my fun list is kicking your ass and you are doing this and this wrong"... after the game, I just wanted to stomp him for being such an ass hole.

That is what makes a power gamer in my eyes, some one who plays really competivietly, but is also a huge ass hole / duesh bag in the process.
That would completely piss me off... what a tool...

I also don't like the guys who are "generous" in thier movement.... Especially if it's near the end of the game and how far you move would really count... Would it kill you to do it right. Or the guys who, when thier tank blows up... spread thier guys over a 10" footprint. I'm pretty OK with calling somebody on thier blatent douchbaggery, but it's the minor stuff that grates on my nerves.... especially when I don't call them on it for fear of being seen as a rules lawyer... Also, I hate it when people don't know thier codex. I trust you to know what the heck your stuff does.. and if you tell me your Tyranid beasty has a 2+ invo... I'm inclined to believe you... but to be that ignorant of your dex is pretty much cheating in my book.
 

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No it isn't. It's going against RAI but not AW.
no its stretching the RAW to fully take advantage over a rule, not just in the normal way, but taking it waaay too far, so it is breaking them.

you can't turn around to some kid who just had a power gaming wanker completely table him in 2 turns and think saying "well it was RAW" would help in any way, there gonna continue to think "that asshole cheated, he stretched so and so rule so far it was no longer on the page of the rulebook, it was stretched outside and down the M54"
 

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Stretching is still not breaking. Now if you go and say that a Wolf claw let's me reroll either my to hit or to wound rolls it means all my units can because of one claw then that is breaking. If you say I have a lightning claw and it says reroll all failed to hits it let's me reroll my to hits from my power fist that happens to be on the same model that is stretching.... But not breaking. It was poor wording on the part of GW.
 

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Stretching is still not breaking. Now if you go and say that a Wolf claw let's me reroll either my to hit or to wound rolls it means all my units can because of one claw then that is breaking. If you say I have a lightning claw and it says reroll all failed to hits it let's me reroll my to hits from my power fist that happens to be on the same model that is stretching.... But not breaking. It was poor wording on the part of GW.
No, that is still breaking, because you are not using the LC. If you are not using a weapon to opt to use another weapon, as it says in the BRB, the rules do not carry over. It is one or the other, not both. So that IS breaking, as it is a direct violation of what is written.
 

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correct. special and normal weapons have different rules. i consider myself a power gamer. I dont stretch the rules because I dont need to. they are rules. unbreakable. I have the confidence to stop people if they try it on. I know the rules and where to find them. I like to think i am fun to play with as i hate games where one or the other are moping around and not enjoying it. my lists are not net lists. they dont work after about 2 weeks before counters are thought of. I play 1 list for a very long time and work out how to play it to the best of its ability. to me gamers are 1 of 3. fluffy player - just having fun with no aspirations to winning events. just plays with his friends or whatever. Competitive player/power game. takes nasty lists, knows rules, is fun to play. plays hard and fast and doesnt act like a prat.
Cheater - someone who stretches rules, breaks rules. is an idiot to play with, questioning everything and being a bad sport. lacks respect for the game and other peoples feelings. is generally a massive man sized reason to not play.

luckily i have only played about 3 of these type of players. they all lost btw because without the 'tricks' they are decidedly average. It might just be the state of play in the US compared to the UK, we are much better sports than most of the usa guys and dont fall for any of this above the table BS.
 

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That would completely piss me off... what a tool...

I also don't like the guys who are "generous" in thier movement.... Especially if it's near the end of the game and how far you move would really count... Would it kill you to do it right. Or the guys who, when thier tank blows up... spread thier guys over a 10" footprint. I'm pretty OK with calling somebody on thier blatent douchbaggery, but it's the minor stuff that grates on my nerves.... especially when I don't call them on it for fear of being seen as a rules lawyer... Also, I hate it when people don't know thier codex. I trust you to know what the heck your stuff does.. and if you tell me your Tyranid beasty has a 2+ invo... I'm inclined to believe you... but to be that ignorant of your dex is pretty much cheating in my book.
I HATE THAT THE MOST.... when people are 'generous' in their movement. I'm not much of a stickler... because when I move my units, I move the front of the squad the maximum distance and then just kinda pile the rest in behind, but still intially, the front of the squad is at the maximum, but I've seen people move the front just a 1/2" to 1" further and the put units that were behind the front of teh squad to the front. I call it out when its really noticable, but then they look back at you like you are a rule nazi... such a pain in the ass.
 
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