They look like shit and i wouldnt allow them to be used, even for paper templates they are poor models, save paper and printer ink and just use a tin of beans
Well the same could be said for you, because you are not willing to invest in models you are quite likely putting off opponents, as other have said the game of 40k is a miniature based wargame, By all means look for ways to save money on models but at the very least show your opponent a level of respect and scratch build or convert a cheap kit.To all those who disapprove:
Thanks for the feedback. I posted these to share for anyone to use. I do not really care for you're opinion. I also do not care that you would rather me spend the 100s of dollars to field this. I will continue to use these as I see fit. If you REALLY have a problem with people using them, the only one truly losing out is you. As you are now losing out on an opponent.
well maybe you should explain it to me?You failed to grasp my meaning..... Unsuprising.
you can try to justify them all you want but at the end of the day you have produced them because you either cant afford or dont want to pay for the actual models, which on this kinda level just defeats being involved in the hobby, I could stretch and say that the vehicles i can understand the point, but making paper tubes for ork infantry is just a step too far for me.True. But it takes no real time to re-build. The tubes take 5 min or less for a page of 16 minis. Plus, they'll still last a VERY long time with small amount of care.
To put it another way, If someone accidentally breaks your battle wagon you are out 60 bucks, + Construction and painting time.
I'm out 6 sheets of paper, and about 2 hours of work.
thanks for the - rep :laugh:Remember guys, modeling is just *one* aspect of the hobby. Paper Waagh, as he is now officially named (No, you don't get a say in it. ), obviously doesn't like the modeling aspect. There is *nothing* wrong about that, and the methods he is using here allow him to enjoy the other two, especially gaming, more. If you wouldn't play against this army, I'd say that you're just too caught up in your high opinion of your own models, and the time you've spent on them, to ever think that maybe, just maybe, other people don't enjoy it as much as you do.
im sure if the MODS see anything they are not happy with they will act so no need to worry, plus im not sure that this thread can be derailed into a debate about proxying when the opening post was about paper orks, if we were now talking about donkey killing you may have a case for a derailed thread.I thought there was a strict anti-flaming rule one this website. OK, you dont like it fine. Dont comment. Theres no need to be all 'you shit. I hate you for doing this. You killed the game.' So lets stop with all that. Its been said before, and I'm making that call again.
On the other hand, I do agree that modeling and painting are cruical parts of the hobby, and you are definaly misssing out if you dont own a few minis.
I think this thread is just going to de-rail into a endless debate on proxy-ing so lets just leave with the saying: If you havent anything nice to say, dont say anything at all.
I have a trade account with Staples so if your genuinely interested paper Orks, i do you special price!!Seings how you sell GW miniatures and parts I can see why you are against it B&K, simple business sense really.
He aint buying it, thats his actual armyPretty cool A good way to see if something works before buying it.
Its pretty simple to understand and its not about your choice to play 40k, but the way you have chosen to play it, by your actions you are cheapening the game for others (your game group)but you cant see it or want to admit it, Its like saying your a big fan of the band Queen, but your music collection is all borrowed,copied or bootlegs,do you think that it might not sit well with other Queen fans if you went along to a weekly Queen application club or posted on a Queen fan forum?.I'm still at a loss as to why MY choice of playing this game leaves YOU butt hurt.
But to each his own.
I'd rather WAAAAAAAGH than WAAAAAAAAH!
are you sure they are all horses? they look alot like......
(I think you get my point on this subject...)
Yes and only friends would allow someone to get away with it and even then its more likely they are humouring him so they get a game, even if it means its a game against paper tubes.Except he's flat out said multiple times that he only plays with his friends. Do you really think any sort of tournament is going to allow paper tube models?
People, think. Please. >_<
I agree with your live and let live sentiment, what he does with his buddies is his own business, but he came here to share his idea with the forum and was very unashamedly proud of his cheapness and by doing so he has popped his head above the parapet, so he has to be prepared for people to say "hang on a minute i dont like that because xyz"If it really takes away from his friend's fun so much, then they'd stop playing him.
As for the whole "but this is a miniatures game!" thing, I agree. It's a miniatures game. But if people are happy playing with paper tubes, then who gives a shit? Unless you're playing against his Paper Waaagh! personally then there's no reason to complain.
Live and let live.
he hasnt been back for about a month,maybe hes writing down his posts on paper and blue tacking them to his monitorThis is back up top i see XD
It would be interesting to know what the OP is up to now regarding this subject. Does he still use them or has he bought some mini's e.t.c.
Does he even come here anymore!?
And thats admirable James, in essence taking toys and converting them is what Orks are all about, the looting aspect is one of the best features of the Ork culture and anyone who wants to save money by doing so should be commended, But that isnt what this was all about, this was more about the OP saying " im gonna play the game but i aint spending a bean on the hobby, but my game pieces wont bit fit for the job either, also im bloody clever for doing it too"I would love to have that paper rocket; it looks cool. The battle wagons are nicely boxy and you could put spare weapons on them. The trucks don't look like the current ork truccks but the current ork trucks don't look like the earlier model trucks either. Actually, these paper trucks, are in some ways better, because you could probably fit all your unit on them. I must admit that I's draw the line at the paper orks though; they still look 3 dimensionsl. Many of my ork vehicles have been made from secondnand children's toys - battery operated tanks, macdonald's toys and a Bob the Builder vehicle with added roller from card tube and toothpick spikes. I have even made killer cans from toy robots and even made a war boss from a toy robot and putty head. They all look awesome and I've had compliments on them. But some have winged about them as not being GW models. My theory is they did so because, they lacked creativity, were narrow minded or were jealous because i did things so cheaply. And yet these same people had used unpainted GW models in games and sometimes even just the bases! So, using an original approach does not disgust me but narrow thinking does. Yes, the 'look' of the game is important but we can be flexible. James
nothing, as long as it was free to download from an official GW sourceWhat's wrong with a PDF codex?
Actually what your talking about works in some cases, but in others its perfectly acceptable to sell to fewer people at a higher price to maintain your business, this is particularly true in niche markets, GW could reduce the prices but that would not make middle aged house wives and loads of other demographics suddenly start buying GW products, If GW reduced its prices tommorow by 25% you would spend less, they would make less buy its would be unlikely that you would spend any more money that you had already decided to.[/color]
See, economics says that if more players were like him, e.g. people who dont want to spend for overpriced plastic men, than GW would actually have to drive prices down if they wanted to stay in business. GW LOVES your mentality because it means they can charge whatever the hell they want- you'll pay for it because, hey, the only real way to play is with proper miniatures, amirite?
You seem to have taken this thread very personally, again it isnt about saving money, i would be the first person to congratulate anyone who had come up with a genuine method to save money on this hobby, i relish saving money, i get a genuine happy when i save money on something i want or need, But "saving money" can only be really be claimed if what you have at the end of it is fit for purpose and personally i dont think a paper cylinder ork is a suitable representation of a Ork for a game of 40k ,again saving money isnt a sin.Reading the tone and language employed by a number of negative responses I wonder if those replying would speak in the same way in person, or would it depend how big the bloke was? Are some people spending so much time on a computer that they don't know the niceties of proper communication and good manners? frankly a novel idea was presented, helpful to many. I would include some of the paper models if I needed to but would be reluctant to play against the tube orks, just as I don't like playing against unpainted figures but do so to get a game in. But those who want to use them feel free. And since when was saving money a sin? I buy new models when I want them but also second hand ones from flea markets and ebay. I have made models that looked great from cheap toys and cost me less than a dollar. And although most of my ork army is GW it includes at least 4 different series and other manufacturers. james