[Costas Pylarinos]

hi everyone. this a question for IG players mostly. when i'm using ordnance weapons, do i roll first a roll to hit and after the scater dice? or i roll just the scater dice?

 

[Blackhiker]

ordanance weapons are just scatter as far as I can recall

 

[Costas Pylarinos]

thanks. i couldn't find it in the rules book

 

[The Son of Horus]

It's under "Ordinance Weapons."

You roll the scatter dice plus 1d6 if the model firing was stationary, or 2d6 plus the scatter and pick the higher of the dice if you moved 6'' or less and fired. Also, in the case of models capable of firing indirectly (i.e. the Basilisk) you roll 2d6 and apply the higher die with the scatter dice.

 

[Triumph Of Man]

Also, in the case of models capable of firing indirectly (i.e. the Basilisk) you roll 2d6 and apply the higher die with the scatter dice.

Only if you can't see them. If they're in LOS then it's back to 1d6.

 

[Engelus]

correct, with standard ordnance weaponry there is never a situation when you add the dice together, I had done this wrong for so many games.

 

[The Son of Horus]

Only if you can't see them. If they're in LOS then it's back to 1d6.

Right, but then you wouldn't be firing indirectly.

 

[Costas Pylarinos]

the reason i'm asking is how i play with the leman russ. (the batlle cannon).

 

[Triumph Of Man]

Right, but then you wouldn't be firing indirectly.

What gives you that impression? Just because an indirect weapon has LOS to the enemy doesn't mean it stops firing indirectly. Just because it's firing with LOS doesn't mean it loses the subsequent pinning test it causes (with the negative modifier if it's ordnance).

 

[The Son of Horus]

By definition, indirect fire requires it to be indirect-- the very word means that there is no direct line of fire (i.e. line of sight) to the target.

 

[johno]

I thought only Barrage weapons caused the pinning test? So Ork lobbas, IG mortars and Basilisks, and such like.

I don't remember reading it was Ordnance as a general thing, but I don't have my rules to hand to check...

johno

 

[The Son of Horus]

Not necessarily. Ordinance in general doesn't, but an indirectly fired shot counts as a Barrage weapon.

 

[Triumph Of Man]

I thought only Barrage weapons caused the pinning test? So Ork lobbas, IG mortars and Basilisks, and such like.

That's what we're talking about... I think anyway.

By definition, indirect fire requires it to be indirect-- the very word means that there is no direct line of fire (i.e. line of sight) to the target.

Now you've made the mistake of trying to add reality to RAW.

 

[The Wraithlord]

Even an Indirect weapon can fire a direct shot. It just has the ability to do indirect shots as well. If the weapon description states it is a barrage weapon, the shot being indirect or direct has no bearing on this, it is still a barrage weapon.

 

[Engelus]

the payload is still traveling up and over, the weapon is probably incapable of firing any other way.

 

[Rockbird]

Wrong. At least in the case of the Basilisk, i can't answer for other weaponry. I know this because a friend of mine has a basilisk with the cannon facing paralell to the ground. Ruleswise, if a weapon has indirect fire you just designate a target, check range and LOS, and if you have none, you roll extra scatter as per indirect fire rules. Otherwise it's a normal ordnance shot. At least that's what i recall, and i re-read the rules fairly recently.

 

[cccp]

a bassie can fire both direct and indirect. if you buy indirect, you can still fire direct.

 

[Triumph Of Man]

Wrong. At least in the case of the Basilisk, i can't answer for other weaponry. I know this because a friend of mine has a basilisk with the cannon facing paralell to the ground. Ruleswise, if a weapon has indirect fire you just designate a target, check range and LOS, and if you have none, you roll extra scatter as per indirect fire rules. Otherwise it's a normal ordnance shot. At least that's what i recall, and i re-read the rules fairly recently.

Don't forget the pinning test it causes, it's why people with a Basilisk will often opt to fire indirectly if they think they have a decent chance of the target being out of minimum range regardless of LOS.

 

[Costas Pylarinos]

i like the bassie but i have already 2 leman russes, and only one slot for heavy support.what do you suggest, a couple of mortars for barrages?

 

[Triumph Of Man]

I suggest a Basilisk.