[warrior-of-hope]

This is my friend 1000pt orc list, he needs to know firstly is it anygood. Also how and what is the best way to take it to 1500 and 2000 points? He has not played any warhammer before and i haven't played orcs since the new book came out but have heard they have lost alot of power in some ways but the basic boys were better now so thats what i told him when he made the list

1 Black orc Bigboss-99pts
Heavy armor, Enchanted shield

1 Orc shaman-100pts
Lv.2

25 orc boys-180pts
Shields, full command

20 savage orcs-230pts
2x choppas, full command

5 wolf riders-81pts
Musician, spears

5 wolf riders-81pts
Musician, spears

2 orc boar chariots-160pts

10 arrer boys -65pts
musician

 

[Ragnar_Burmane]

Looks pretty strong to me. I would consider seeing if points can be found for a couple of bolt throwers though as it'll give your heavily armoured opponent something to think about.

Even if they don't hit with their average BS then your opponent must play around the fact that they might.

Basic boys are better now because once per game you can declare a Waagh which means all your units add their rank bonus to their animosity roll and in the new rules a roll of 6 on animosity makes you move d6" towards the enemy. If you contact an enemy unit you count as charging. This makes the basic units far better as you are more than likely charging a turn earlier with half your units.

Some more experienced orc players may correct me on the finer details though.

 

[warrior-of-hope]

Thanks, although i'd have to drop a chariot for the bolt throwers so which is better 2 boltthrowers or a chariot? tnx

 

[Lord Sinkoran]

Lose the black orc boss its just too expensive in 1000pts just use a normal orc.

other than that the list is fine. For 1500pts get another unit of normal orc boys and some dispel scrolls for the shaman there'y useful. and a smallish unit of black orcs.

2000pts have a orc warboss as the lord some more heroes and more units of orcs or goblins who I have a hole new respect for seeing they held up a unit of empire knights for 3 turns.

 

[archon]

Looks like a good list, let us know how it gets on.

You want your boss to be using a great weapon to be honest, seeing as how his initiative is so low he'll be striking last anyway. In which case you dont really need to bother with the enchanted shield, just more boyz.

Also, I've always found Arrer Boyz to be a bit poor, maybe drop them and the enchanted shield for 2 spear chukkas?

 

[Elchimpster]

I tend to play for the fun of it, and competitiveness...well...I'm not very. Not with Orcs really at all.

I tend to run a goblin heavy force (specifically night goblins) and love the fanatics. They are devastating (be careful they don't came back at you).

I'm also a huge fan (no pun intended) of the Giant. They can do some pretty cool stuff. Read through the new army book and read all the nifty things they do. Hillarious.

For me, half of the fun is the animosity and things going wrong...stuff being wildly out of control! They look cool, have a massive army and are fun to spin up and let go.

 

[mattjgilbert]

I think the weakest bit is probably the Arrer Boyz as suggested above. Try it out but I'm not sure you will see them being that effective.

 

[kelvingreen]

I haven't played WFB since the High Elf/Night Goblin boxed edition (was that 2nd?), but I played Orcs and Goblins back then. I don't know what the current stats are like, but I'd agree with the others that the Arrer Boyz are a waste of points. If you're going to take Orc/Goblin archers, you need more than ten to be effective, and so you're more often than not better off buying twenty-odd Goblin archers for the same price. Orcs and Goblins used to have the same BS, so there's no reason not to get double the shots for the same price.

Of course, I have no idea what they're like in the current rules, so I could be wrong.

I'd also second the swapping of bolt throwers for the boar chariots.

 

[jigplums]

yeah they still have the same BS

 

[kelvingreen]

There you go. Get twenty Goblins for about the price of ten Orcs. Same chance to hit, double the shots. Make them Night Goblins, and you can include Fanatics to make opponents think twice about assaulting them.

 

[jigplums]

Thats one reason i love Nightgoblins. You can take a small unit for very few points and your opp never knows if they have fanatics in or not, until its too late. Gotta love fanatics. Orc Arrer boyz are actually seriously cheap nowadays, plus they come with choppa's, have T4 and come with proper bows rather than short bows.
still I never find the points for arrer boyz, there just not high up on my useful list

 

[kelvingreen]

Yes, I'm basing all my sweeping statements on very old rules, so I doubt they stand up much today!

 

[Frodo]

I like black orks myself, black orcs and goblins

 

[Asmodai]

I rarely field Arrer Boyz, but they do have a purpose.

Orcs tend not to be agile. Having some shooting helps protect you from rampaging Fanatics, lone Mages on foot casting spells at your flanks, most fast cavalry units, etc.

They're not a great use of points, but I can see them being handy for adding flexibility to the list.

 

[Red Orc]

...maybe not so useful for a 1000pt game though? After all, the table is gonna be pretty small (or, 'is going to have been pretty small', as this thread seems quite old now!) and so is the opposition - which means there won't be so much opportunity for the kind of tactics that would require being countered with arrer boyz I would guess...

I'd take them in bigger games, but not this size, is what I'm basically saying.

 

[Words_of_Truth]

i've never taken a battle standard bear before i never rated them, but i was told orcs should have one, what do you think should i take one?

Also whats a good size unit of orcs for 2000 points?

I basicly have no idea what to equip my orcs with, do i do spears and shields or two choppas

 

[Asmodai]

As I mentioned in the other thread, 25-30 Orcs works well. 30-40 for Night Goblins. You avoid panic and get the +1 CR for outnumbering.

Spears used to be good on Orcs, but with 7th ed. Choppas have gotten considerably better. I'd do either Choppas and Shields or Two Choppas.

The BSB is a tougher call. I traditionally didn't field one because Black Orc Warbosses took up two slots. Now that they don't, the BSB is a more viable option and it greatly benefits horde armies like Orcs.

If I were to take a BSB, I'd put it on a boar. He's too vulnerable with a 5+ or 6+ save. The boar will let you keep him around a bit better (and thanks to 7th ed. you can still hide him in a unit of infantry!).