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Really, the title says it all. Fabius Bile sucks. He'd be killer if his Rod of Torment was powered and he had a 5++...But no, can't have him competing with everyone's favorite skull taker.

That said, my Chaos Warband is starting a feud with Commander Farsight and since I like a good challenge I want to come up with a winning list that takes Bile and at least two squads of Enhanced Marines. This is what I'm thinking so far.

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Fabius Bile

Elite:

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

Troops:

8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG

Fast Attack:

3x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta
3x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta

Heavy Support:

3x Oblits
3x Oblits
5x Havocs w/ 4x ML
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2398 points (102 left to spend)
61 Models

The basic idea is to harass with the two squads of bikes while moving the Rhinos up the field to attack (and hopefully overwhelm) the Farsight unit. Still need to fill it out a bit, but that is the basic idea.

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A random list I thought of that might be fun to play:

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Fabius Bile

Troops:

20x CSM w/ Enhanced Warrior, Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoN
20x CSM w/ Enhanced Warrior, Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoN
20x CSM w/ Enhanced Warrior, Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoN
20x CSM w/ Enhanced Warrior, Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoN

Heavy Support:

2x Oblits
2x Oblits
5x Havocs w/ 4x ML
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2495 points
90 models

Something about 80 S5/T5 Marines seems good to me. Not a competitive list by any means, but it could be fun.
 

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personally i think 1 larger unit of bikes would be better 3 just dont do it...lascannon shots & dead marines - besides with the current set up if you lose even 1 your taking moral checks. why not a larger squad to hide the 3 important marines
 

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i agree with Fallen. i'd be tempted to take the over-used "Chosen and melta" squad for some Outflanking distraction, and TBH all those icons beg for Summoned Daemons or a even a Greater Daemon.

and i'd go with IoK; more attack plus Enhance rules could be devastating.

good hunting.
 

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So, something like,

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Fabius Bile

Elite: 328

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

5x Chosen w/ Champ, 1x Power Weapon, 3x Melta, 1x Flamer, Rhino

Troops: 1195

8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoK
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoK
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoK
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoK
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoK

Fast Attack: 258

5x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta

Heavy Support: 605

3x Oblits
3x Oblits
5x Havocs w/ 4x ML
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2498 points
65 Models

This will give my Bike squad a bit more survivability and my troops a bit more punch.
 

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ya i like the 2nd list already

the termies have a WTF feel to me, sorta like they dont know what to do: id swap the HF for a 3rd combi melta.
 

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What about swapping the Termies for more Chosen? I could, by dropping the Terminators and the Champ/PW out of the first squad, get a kitted second squad. Then I'd have:

5x Chosen w/ 2x Melta, 1x Flamer, Rhino
5x Chosen w/ 3x Melta, 1x Flamer, Rhino
 

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Really, the title says it all. Fabius Bile sucks. He'd be killer if his Rod of Torment was powered and he had a 5++...But no, can't have him competing with everyone's favorite skull taker.
He does suck, his enhancement is good stuff.

That said, my Chaos Warband is starting a feud with Commander Farsight and since I like a good challenge I want to come up with a winning list that takes Bile and at least two squads of Enhanced Marines. This is what I'm thinking so far.

HQ:

Fabius Bile

Elite:

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta
Maybe add a prince of some sort with wings instead of so many troop choices
Termies are perfect.


8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
8x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoCG
You so crazy. These chaos marines are already fearless due to enhanced warrior, instead maybe give them the IoT or IoN to make them far better statistically then our loyalist brethren?
Also LOLLERCAUST S10 powerfist is amaaaazing.

I think IoK might not be incredibly helpful against tau, your army already rapes them in cc, so why not make them cost more points for being much more durable? S5 guns are not your friend at t4 with only eight men deep.

And buff the squads to ten for that second melta gun, that way you're in way good shape to bust tanks.

Fast Attack:

3x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta
3x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta
We have better options to busting tanks from range, instead of exposing those expensive bikes to fire, why not get more deep striking terminators or even raptors?

If you must take the bikers, add in some more termiecide units and give the bikers a teleport homer/icon. This way you can have a ton of frontline support when you crash into him.

Heavy Support:

3x Oblits
3x Oblits
5x Havocs w/ 4x ML
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2398 points (102 left to spend)
61 Models
Definitely ditch those havocs. For tau tanks and suits you may want to bring a vindicator, with the farsight team they'll deepstrike somewhere like assholes and kill one unit really good. You'll want to have enough points on the backline able to stomp them good once this happens. A vindicator makes pulp out of weak tau suits, and if they target the vindicator, they aren't harrassing the oblits(Who will make fishsticks of them in CC).
Essentially, I don't see havocs being your best friend in this.
 

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to be honest id do 1 of 2 things - both involve dropping the termies

1) drop the champ from the bike squad, add lord w/DW on bike...& as many bikes as possible

2)add more enhanced warriors / make a small 5 man NM squad w/blastmaster & sonic blasters
 

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LordWaffles, I like where you're going with this.

I can drop a Troop Squad to get IoN on each of the other squads, leaving me 81 points. I can also drop the Havocs for a Vindi w/ DP bringing me up to 111 spare points.

What about:

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Fabius Bile
Lash Prince

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino. EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
9x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN

5x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoCG

3x Oblits
Vindi w/ DP
Vindi w/ DP

Leaves me 25 points...
 

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LordWaffles, I like where you're going with this.

I can drop a Troop Squad to get IoN on each of the other squads, leaving me 81 points. I can also drop the Havocs for a Vindi w/ DP bringing me up to 111 spare points.

What about:

HQ:

Fabius Bile
Lash Prince

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino. EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
9x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN

5x Bikes w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, IoCG

3x Oblits
Vindi w/ DP
Vindi w/ DP

Leaves me 25 points...
I think I'd drop the champ with fist on a bike, you've already got a butt-ton of angry marines willing to giga-stomp all over enemies of the dark gods. The 2x melta is great, makes them valid enough to pour fire into.

Two vindis is pro, hmm...I'm trying to think up a way you can take out enough points to buy another termicide squad, cause those are really, really good.

Possibly trade a squad of EW IoN for a squad of EW Chosen with meltas and an icon of something(For more termicide!) This way they have a valid s5 fearless threat on the backlines.
 

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Newest list:

HQ:

Fabius Bile
Lash Prince

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta
3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino. EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
9x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Melta, Rhino, EA, Enhanced Warrior, IoN

5x Bikes w/ 2x Melta, IoK

2x Oblits
Vindi w/ DP
Vindi w/ DP

Leaves me 10 points...
 

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not bad, Fabulous Bile could be good if used right i suppose. i don't think your gonna want the Extra Armour on your tanks though, as with tau if it isn't melta, its str 10....which means the rhino either lives or dies , no in between. then maybe turn the single melta gun in fabulous' squad into a flamer and use the 75 to add a 3rd oblit?
 

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not bad, Fabulous Bile could be good if used right i suppose. i don't think your gonna want the Extra Armour on your tanks though, as with tau if it isn't melta, its str 10....which means the rhino either lives or dies , no in between. then maybe turn the single melta gun in fabulous' squad into a flamer and use the 75 to add a 3rd oblit?
That is a great point. I think I might do that.
 

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HQ:

Fabius Bile
Lash Prince

3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta
3x Termies w/ 1x Chain Fist, 1x Heavy Flamer, 2x Combi-Melta

10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoN
10x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 2x Melta, Rhino. Enhanced Warrior, IoN
9x CSM w/ Champ, PF, 1x Flamer, Rhino, Enhanced Warrior, IoN

5x Bikes w/ 2x Melta, IoK

3x Oblits
Vindi w/ DP
Vindi w/ DP

That would be the list. Though I'm still questioning the IoK on the Bikes.
 

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For sure. I'm hoping to get a game in this week (maybe even today!) with it. Since this is going to be an epic feud between Bile and Farsight, I'll be counting on you guys to help me tune the list.
 

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The list looks strong! Makes fabius seem worthwhile, might have to dust the old bugger off! The only thing I would change is swap MofK for MofT. You have a spare 10 points gives them a 5++ save which I think would be more useful than the extra attack! I regluraly play tau, my advice send termicides after hammerheads, bikes after broadsides! Take them out asap! S10 AP1 is sooooo annoying! You pray for 1's ha ha!
Good luck and let us know how it pans out!
 
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