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I think Dark Apostle by Anthony Reynolds is a good book, and yes it is the first in a series. The other two books are Dark Disciple and Dark Creed. Overall I think the trilogy holds up a bit better than the Night Lords trilogy.

I know some have a bit of an issue with certain things in Dark Apostle, namely that the Word Bearers were able to take down a titan in the manner they did. But those same people seem to give the Night Lords a pass when it came to how they took down a titan in their own series (between the two the Word Bearers seems more feasible.)
Ah, I am glad you brought that up. When I read about that in the Night Lords series, I was a little taken back.

So, I can fairly take your word for it' :). I am quite anxious to get to finish all of these books that I'm reading. it seems I have much ahead of me. Haha.

You guys are awesome in your informative input and hurl great recommendations. I hope we can continue to converse like this on many other topics. Preferably 40k PC games... and how I seem to think there aren't any more for me to play as I went through them all!

I think I made the right choice when I came here and met you guys. You're all pretty awesome!
 

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I like the Word Bearers books a fair amount. I liked the second better, as it was more intimate due to the main characters all just going on an adventure, and we see more of their various interactions and the complexities of the relationships between what were basically fairly shallow archetypes in the first novel.
There were also some nice moments, like the guy getting separated from the rest of the squad and what happens afterwards.

The third was a satisfying end, if a slight misfire in terms of the the sub-plot. And the huge battle veers into bolter-porn a little. And the little short that wraps up the fate of one of the characters was good, if dark as heck.

Also, the characters cameo (or outright appear) in various Heresy shorts.
 

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That sounds really awesome.

Is there an Emperor's Children novel?
 

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Which reminds me. Does anyone know if Abbadon appears in the Talon of Horus novels?
 

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He ought to, that series is about how he became the Despoiler and founds the Black Legion. (And yes, he is in Talon of Horus.)
 

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He ought to, that series is about how he became the Despoiler and founds the Black Legion. (And yes, he is in Talon of Horus.)
haha okay, I'm only three chapters in. They talk as if he is a myth or something, even though many of them fought in the Great Crusade.

Wonderful story so far. Anything dark and brutal, is for me.

Someone explained it as "bolter porn", and that is EXACTLY what I am into. :D Blood, gore, chaos, filth and destruction!
 

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As I said before it is a wonderful story, but I must ask. Is ADB always so philosophical when speaking as a narrator? Just kind of different than many BL books I have read; and all in the first person, which is even stranger!
 

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I like the first person aspect. Eisenhorn by Dan Abnett is the same. Found it a little odd at first, took a bit of getting used to, but then I began to really appreciate it.
 

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I like the first person aspect. Eisenhorn by Dan Abnett is the same. Found it a little odd at first, took a bit of getting used to, but then I began to really appreciate it.
It's actually growing on me.

It's the philosophical monologues that kind of bother me... doesn't have a whole lot to do with the story in my eyes.

What do you guys think about those?
 

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I'm not sure what sections you're referring to in particular, but there's a lot of thematic stuff in that novel that sets the characters up as being in a believable frame of mind to do what they do, and what the novel is about.

I'd say emotional state rather than frame of mind, but I'm not sure that would be an accurate phrase for space marines. They're all 'philosophically' damaged, or damaged in their ideals/beliefs/purpose for keeping going. I imagine you know the point of the book's story, but I don't want to spoil until you get there. The author is creating depth to the characters so you can see why they end up making the choice they do.
 

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I like it. I like to read more than bolter born. The philosophical thoughts and conversations if nothing else just show me the writer is actually very good and accomplished at writing and putting more complex literary ideas and concepts down. It's where other authors like Ben Counter and James Swallow fall short for me. Everything with them is just very obvious, blunt and uninspired. Any time they try to go for more complex or idiosyncratic ideas etc, they just don't pull it off.
 

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Right on.

I'm a little past chapter 10 and haven't seen any signs of Abaddon yet, just talk about him.

I also was referring to the first few chapters. It almost seemed like the author was trying to speak to the reader. I did find that interesting. Sometimes in random sections I will see philosophical talk about something else, not always pertaining to the story. Usually background on the Eye or the Warp.

I think I can used to it. I'm so used to Jeff Grubb and Dan Abnet's writing.
 

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I have to add to this as I'm finally getting to the Night Lords books and finished the first one and I'm half way through the second book.

I seriously disliked Soul Hunter. The story line was great, and quite unique. Not too fond of the main character, but I can look past it. I feel that the execution of the writing could have been way better. Unfortunately, even looking past the horrendous grammatical errors on almost every page, the style of writing put me off.

So, after reading this one, I almost just gave up and continued on with the stack of books that I intend to read. I thought long and hard after I got a decent .mobi of Ahriman:Unchanged that was finally available to download. I decided to continue on and give Blood Reaver a try. I couldn't understand why ADB wrote like that, as I read The Talon of Horus and absolutely loved it. Luckily, Blood Reaver is written much better, maybe not as good as everyone says, but I understand now where the mixed reviews that I read, when I first posted this thread, came from.

Another thing I want to mention, but I don't remember if anyone told me (I have a condition... from combat) when I asked about what books the Red Corsairs were in, I don't think I heard they were in Blood Reaver. I doubt they're big in it, but I've never read about them, and ADB's portrayal of them is quite humorous.

Sorry, but I was hoping to get some individual reviews on the individual novels. What do you guys think are the good qualities of each one, and what about some of the things you think could be changed?
 

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I have to add to this as I'm finally getting to the Night Lords books and finished the first one and I'm half way through the second book.

I seriously disliked Soul Hunter. The story line was great, and quite unique. Not too fond of the main character, but I can look past it. I feel that the execution of the writing could have been way better. Unfortunately, even looking past the horrendous grammatical errors on almost every page, the style of writing put me off.

So, after reading this one, I almost just gave up and continued on with the stack of books that I intend to read. I thought long and hard after I got a decent .mobi of Ahriman:Unchanged that was finally available to download. I decided to continue on and give Blood Reaver a try. I couldn't understand why ADB wrote like that, as I read The Talon of Horus and absolutely loved it. Luckily, Blood Reaver is written much better, maybe not as good as everyone says, but I understand now where the mixed reviews that I read, when I first posted this thread, came from.

Another thing I want to mention, but I don't remember if anyone told me (I have a condition... from combat) when I asked about what books the Red Corsairs were in, I don't think I heard they were in Blood Reaver. I doubt they're big in it, but I've never read about them, and ADB's portrayal of them is quite humorous.

Sorry, but I was hoping to get some individual reviews on the individual novels. What do you guys think are the good qualities of each one, and what about some of the things you think could be changed?
The gildar rift have a major focus on Huron Blackheart, as well the short story the Tyrants champion.
 

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Storm of iron is quite good, actually i think was first CSM novel i read many years ago. Dont think OP can post right now to reply anyway..
 
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