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Hello fellow Heretics! Many things have changed since last I was on the forums, on top of moving to another city and starting my Sophomore year of college, I've also played my first game of 40k! And while it was great, I've fallen into the traditional wargammer habit of buying things for my next army before my first one is anywhere close to being done haha I've picked up a Chaos Space Marine Codex, Terminator Lord and ten man Chaos Marine box set, so I'm more or less 500 points deep in Chaos Space Marines now.

Since my army is Night Lords, I want to keep the models more or less in line with their fluff. The Night Lords look at things like daemons and daemonic possession with disdain, so I was thinking about ways I could substitute for units like Obliterators, Mutilators, Forgefiends and Maulerfiends, Heldrakes, and Helbrutes, as well as the chaos aligned troops like Berzerkers and Plague Marines. I've come up with a lot of the solutions myself and really only needed help with a couple of them, all taking minimal effort since both time and money are rare since I have yet to find a job here. Whether or not I actually make or play them is another thing, but it's always good to have a plan. Here's what I was thinking:

Berzerkers: Chaos Marines with close combat weapons like chainswords and knives. Groundbreaking I know.
Plague Marines: Chaos Marines using Forge World Breacher Siege Squad shields.
Thousand Sons: Robed Dark Angels bodies with various Chaos bits.
Noise Marines: Probably Night Lords with Sonic weaponry, not sure how else to do them.
Obliterators/Mutilators: I was thinking that the new Centurions, stripped of all their Imperial Iconography, would work well, but I don't know the size comparison between an Obliterator and Centurion model.
Forgefiend/Maulerfiend: Since I really can't think of anything to replace the Games Workshop kits, I'd probably just use the standard kit and use small chains to wrap around it and make it look like it's being force to fight.
Heldrake: The Forge World Hell Talon is what I'm more or less sold on to use instead of a Heldrake. I'd tilt it like it's banking so the issue of a smaller profile gets more or less negated.
Helbrute: Forge World Night Lords Dreadnought, kitted out how I'd use it most. Simple.

I play with a relaxed group of guys who don't really care about the type of model you use to represent something on the tabletop. I know if I ever do the Tournament scene I'd have to use different models, but for right now that's not an issue. Tell me what you guys think!
 

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I think you seem to have hit the nail on the head for most of these.

For the mutilators and obliterators how about converted normal chaos terminators? Since that is what obliterators/mutilators originally were, and they nearly have the same stats as them, it seems to fit. Perhaps they could have robed bodies or different heads, and obviously different weapons to represent the mutilator/oblit multiple weapons.
 

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Forgefiend/Maulerfiend: Since I really can't think of anything to replace the Games Workshop kits,
What about Krootox? I know they're on smaller bases, but so long as they are on the bigger bases noone could complain. Do them up as if they have been captured and enslaved by the NLs. A couple of plasma cannons strapped to it for a forgefiend and some big ass tusks and blades for the mauler. Maybe a NL rider holding the reins would top off the conversion.
 

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Berzerkers: Chaos Marines with close combat weapons like chainswords and knives. Groundbreaking I know. Classic, like it, maybe make them even more brutal looking to justify the mark?

Plague Marines: Chaos Marines using Forge World Breacher Siege Squad shields. Again nice, maybe chuck some bionics in there as well?

Thousand Sons: Robed Dark Angels bodies with various Chaos bits. Hmm little unsure what you're going for here, maybe make it a minor Sorcerer and his little cabal of minions?

Noise Marines: Probably Night Lords with Sonic weaponry, not sure how else to do them. Seems good

Obliterators/Mutilators: I was thinking that the new Centurions, stripped of all their Imperial Iconography, would work well, but I don't know the size comparison between an Obliterator and Centurion model. That'd work well, size should be about the same as long as they are on the same sized base. I've also seen somebody slap down 3 or 4 Marines on a Oblit base with heavy weapons looking like they are leaping from cover in an ambush and used them as Oblits. Looked really good.

Forgefiend/Maulerfiend: Since I really can't think of anything to replace the Games Workshop kits, I'd probably just use the standard kit and use small chains to wrap around it and make it look like it's being force to fight.2 Dreads or a converted Defiler on a base the right size? Think something like Stalk Tanks from Gaunt's Ghosts

Heldrake: The Forge World Hell Talon is what I'm more or less sold on to use instead of a Heldrake. I'd tilt it like it's banking so the issue of a smaller profile gets more or less negated. Any one of the Forgeworld flyers would work well I think, or hell any Imperial fighter as well just chaos'd up a bit.

Helbrute: Forge World Night Lords Dreadnought, kitted out how I'd use it most. Simple. Nice
Nice choice of Chapter by the way!
 

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For the mutilators and obliterators how about converted normal chaos terminators? Since that is what obliterators/mutilators originally were, and they nearly have the same stats as them, it seems to fit. Perhaps they could have robed bodies or different heads, and obviously different weapons to represent the mutilator/oblit multiple weapons.
Good idea. Obliterators are originally Techmarines who've lost themselves to their weapons, so I could add servo-arms with some of the other weapons they'd use.

What about Krootox? I know they're on smaller bases, but so long as they are on the bigger bases noone could complain. Do them up as if they have been captured and enslaved by the NLs. A couple of plasma cannons strapped to it for a forgefiend and some big ass tusks and blades for the mauler. Maybe a NL rider holding the reins would top off the conversion.
While that is a great (and humorous) idea, I don't think it fits in with how the Night Lords operate. They've essentially always been just a renegade legion, using much of the same equipment and gear their loyalist adversaries use.

Classic, like it, maybe make them even more brutal looking to justify the mark?
Yeah, I was thinking these heads from Puppets War to give them a more bloodthirsty feel.


Again nice, maybe chuck some bionics in there as well?
Didn't think about that, that would reinforce the idea that they're tougher than the average Marine, along with the shields.

Hmm little unsure what you're going for here, maybe make it a minor Sorcerer and his little cabal of minions?
I've been piecing together fluff for this warband, and the idea these guys spawned from is a squad of Night Lords who follow the commands of a secretive sergeant (the sorcerer) unquestionably. The sergeant is rumored to be a Psyker, which have traditionally been less than welcomed among the Night Lords.

That'd work well, size should be about the same as long as they are on the same sized base. I've also seen somebody slap down 3 or 4 Marines on a Oblit base with heavy weapons looking like they are leaping from cover in an ambush and used them as Oblits. Looked really good.
That's my fall back idea if the Centurions don't quite pan out. I've seen Demon Dan's plog on the Bolter and Chainsword where he used the idea for his Alpha Legion cell and Night Lords warband. Quite impressive, won his Armies on Parade.

2 Dreads or a converted Defiler on a base the right size? Think something like Stalk Tanks from Gaunt's Ghosts
Never thought about a Stalk Tank, thanks! Two Dreadnoughts seem like it'd be too expensive to be worth it, but we shall see haha

Any one of the Forgeworld flyers would work well I think, or hell any Imperial fighter as well just chaos'd up a bit.
Damnit! I meant Hell Blade haha Both Chaos fliers have the words Hell in them and they get confusing haha The Hell Blade looks like an unpossessed Heldrake to me, which is why I picked it. It's just so damn sleek though that I feel to make it fair It would have to look like it's banking. I kind of thought using a Storm Talon, but felt like it didn't fit in with the rest of the army.

Nice choice of Chapter by the way!
Thanks! The Night Lords always appealed to me on multiple levels. Since they're the 8th Legion I was immeadiately drawn to them, since eight has always been an important number to me (born on August 8th, along with a lot of other things), they're not subject to anyone's authority, cause mass amounts of terror and suffering in their opponents, great stuff! :)
 

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Those skull faced heads are pretty dam awesome and would be perfect for the squad! For the "berserkers" I wouldn't go go with the bloody thirsty route though I'd be more interested to go with the idea that out of all the terror specialists of the Night Lords that particuler squad excells at up close and personal fear inducement, put some flayed human skin on them, wicked knives, those heads etc Think Dark Eldar types.

Stalk Tank works well I think as they aren't really demonically powered, they are simply mechanical and in GG they are used as a terror weapon. Check out Dave Taylor's army for inspiration.

Night Lords are my favourite Chaos Legion by far, evil evil bastards!
 

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Those skull faced heads are pretty dam awesome and would be perfect for the squad! For the "berserkers" I wouldn't go go with the bloody thirsty route though I'd be more interested to go with the idea that out of all the terror specialists of the Night Lords that particuler squad excells at up close and personal fear inducement, put some flayed human skin on them, wicked knives, those heads etc Think Dark Eldar types.

Stalk Tank works well I think as they aren't really demonically powered, they are simply mechanical and in GG they are used as a terror weapon. Check out Dave Taylor's army for inspiration.
After more thought I've decided that the heads I would use would be used sparingly, with normal Chaos Marine helmets on most of them.

That Stalk Tank looks bad ass! It's about the size of a Forgefiend to, which is great. I've never used plasticard so I have no idea how I'd go about making one though, even then that would take a lot of time.
 

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I like your ideas but there is only one that bothers me. I implore you to stay away from the centurions, my personal opinion is that they are one of the worst ideas gw have ever had. Others have suggested enhanced terminators and I am certain that it will give you a better result. I would go with a weapon on each arm and one on a shoulder. Any more would get a bit top heavy but I think it could be done well.
 

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I like your ideas but there is only one that bothers me. I implore you to stay away from the centurions, my personal opinion is that they are one of the worst ideas gw have ever had. Others have suggested enhanced terminators and I am certain that it will give you a better result. I would go with a weapon on each arm and one on a shoulder. Any more would get a bit top heavy but I think it could be done well.
I'd rather do the Obliterator's like Demon Dan did in his progress log. He stuck a couple of normal Chaos Marines with heavy weapons on an Obliterator base. Looks great in my opinion. These were all just brainstorming ideas, the Centurions came out about the time I was thinking about all this and they seemed like they'd fit well with what Obliterators do. The Terminators idea (with the servo-arm mounted weapons) came from the traditional Obliterator fluff.

 

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Now I remember the image you have posted, seen it before and it was brilliant then. That is even better.
 

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Berzerkers: Chaos Marines with close combat weapons like chainswords and knives. Groundbreaking I know.
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Plague Marines: Chaos Marines using Forge World Breacher Siege Squad shields.
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Thousand Sons: Robed Dark Angels bodies with various Chaos bits.
How about using "force field generators" to represent the better invuln saves, and heavily modified bolters to represent the AP3?

Noise Marines: Probably Night Lords with Sonic weaponry, not sure how else to do them.

Obliterators/Mutilators: I was thinking that the new Centurions, stripped of all their Imperial Iconography, would work well, but I don't know the size comparison between an Obliterator and Centurion model.
My thought? Mechanicus robots/cyborgs/skitarii

Forgefiend/Maulerfiend: Since I really can't think of anything to replace the Games Workshop kits, I'd probably just use the standard kit and use small chains to wrap around it and make it look like it's being force to fight.
How about a corrupted Grey Knight Dreadknight covered in NL icons?

Heldrake: The Forge World Hell Talon is what I'm more or less sold on to use instead of a Heldrake. I'd tilt it like it's banking so the issue of a smaller profile gets more or less negated.
The Hell Talon looks great in NL navy blue with lightning marks...

Helbrute: Forge World Night Lords Dreadnought, kitted out how I'd use it most. Simple.
Works for me.
 

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How about using "force field generators" to represent the better invuln saves, and heavily modified bolters to represent the AP3?
I like the idea I had earlier, it ties with the fluff I wrote, but I do like the idea of altering the bolters, maybe drum magazines and such.

My thought? Mechanicus robots/cyborgs/skitarii
I thought about scratch building servitors for my Imperial Guard force, using treads/servo-arms and such. I think I'll stick with Demon Dans idea.

How about a corrupted Grey Knight Dreadknight covered in NL icons?
Maybe, these two are what are giving me the most trouble. After Jacobite's last post I did more thinking and came up with the idea of splicing a Necron Triarch Stalker with some Sentinels and maybe a Leman Russ.
 

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Another idea for the Forgefiend: A converted defiler with a fighting platform/howdah on it's back. You could make it look like a civilan construction/deconstruction vehicle that the Night Lords are using for terror attacks...
 

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Another idea for the Forgefiend: A converted defiler with a fighting platform/howdah on it's back. You could make it look like a civilan construction/deconstruction vehicle that the Night Lords are using for terror attacks...
Good idea. That's just a really weird thing to try and shoe horn into Night Lords fluff. They rely on lightning quick attacks and surprising their opponents, which is difficult to do with such a behemoth as a Forge/Maulerfiend haha
 

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Well, the Slaughterfiend is a siege-beast, so I imagine the Night Lords would simply use whatever civilian/military building/demo gear they could find. Imagine a Night Lord using a souped up loader like the one Sigourney Weaver used in Aliens...

 

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Well, the Slaughterfiend is a siege-beast, so I imagine the Night Lords would simply use whatever civilian/military building/demo gear they could find. Imagine a Night Lord using a souped up loader like the one Sigourney Weaver used in Aliens...
Definitely a good idea! But the scale (not saying I want it to be 100% to scale against a Forge/Maulerfiend, just close) would be an issue. Made me think of the Sentinel Powerlifter from Forgeworld haha

 

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If you want the scale about right, try mating a loyalist dreadnought (for the clean lines) and a defiler (for the legs), and maybe a sentinel cockpit as the control area,,,
 
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