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Night Haunter is alive

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After reviewing prior accumulated data upon the primarch konrad kurze, as well as soul hunter....I have concluded the night haunter is alive.

My idea is simple, the assassination and killing of konrad was staged. M'Shen was killed some time before reaching konrad, Shaal by instruction of kurze was instructed to act as the assassin. Thus why shaal saw everything first hand as he was there, however shaal did not kill kurze, konrad simply gave to shaal the corona nox as proof to spread his death. Shaal then ran off with it while disguised as the assassin M'Shen, is then ambushed by eldar, and subsequently is trapped in a warp storm and sleeps for a century or two.

Why did konrad do this? For in essence konrad truly did die, he allowed the night haunter persona to consume him. Thus all his duties to the emperor and his imperium he severed, from the great crusade, to leading his legion, he abandoned it all not caring what was to become of it.

Konrad did die that night, metaphorically with the giving away of his corona nox, night haunter is the one who left that room that night.
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....So, you been smoking some funky stuff. Where can I get it? :grin:

Seriously, I have seen more convincing arguments that the Emperor was Horus....The Night Haunter is dead, we pretty much know that M'Shen (Or however it is spelled..) killed him. Konrad wanted to die as people have mentioned, from what I can recall, he despised that he had let his Legion fall from grace (Well, that is my opinion, dunno what others think..) so why would he want to leave, and let it continue? I think he died as a symbol personally, so that he didn't have to continue on with the Night Lords..
I'm all for putting out theories for discussion, but this really is going a bit far. You're stating it as fact, with very little foundation in established fluff.

If you had read Soul Hunter, you would know that Talos pursued M'Shen against the express wishes of Night Haunter. He couldn't stand by and see Kurze's death go unavenged. This we learn from Talos remembering directly, so we must take it as fact. It had nothing to do with any convoluted conspiracy within a conspiracy.
Night haunter wasn't ashamed of his legion...night haunter despised the emperor. Konrad was ashamed of his legion, for in time he saw that the initial approval and sanctioning of his methods that the emperor had given him...were taken away in trade for appeasing the public opinion at large.

To konrad the legion symbolized and represented all that he sacrificed and became in order to fulfill what his father needed from a son whom he loved with no bounds....to be the darknes and hate of the empire to act as a focal point to bring focus and discipline to a realm of chaos which without brutality and cruelty would be unable to do so.

As konrads faith, and love in the emperor which is what sustained him through his sacrifice of his humanity for his father, faded so to do konrad as a persona and night haunter which started as a fragment of personality initially used as a defense mechanism while he commited acts of cruelty and inhuman hatred. The fragment known as night haunter grew, it protected konrad and became his only friend, and as konrad lost the will to live it stepped in to preserve konrad's life, even if it meant consuming him.

Haunter was the representation and epitome of konrad's survival instinct, Haunter knew that to keep konrad alive it had to seperate him from that which was most threatening to him, the primary source of stress, the legion and his father.

Thus haunter formulated a intricate plan and put it into motion, to fake his death, and take over as the primary persona. Sahaal and soul hunter were but tools in his plan, ones which carried out their roles flawlessly.

Haunter cared about konrad, as his survival was indrectly tied to hisown, haunter could care less for the legion.
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I seriously cant argue with you anymore. Your pulling ''facts'' out of thin air and making the most absurd statements ive seen on this board, not a single thing you've said, not one thing can be backed up in any kind of way, your logic is so flawed its untrue and your completely unwilling to listen to anyone on here, and seem to outright refuse all the facts and examples given from Soul Hunter and Lord of Night, neither of which you seem to have read

So yeah, have fun argueing this point with everyone else.
All of the novels involving konrad I have dabbled in, however my interpretation of them is different from your own.

Where as you see sahaal witnessing the event of konrad being beheaded, I interpreted as a purposeful lie spread by sahaal, that sahaal saw what konrad wanted him to see.

Nothing I have said in any way contradicts the material, and depending on how long you have followed warhammer 40k, and I do not convey the notion of simply downloading the dex's, then you would know that in warhammer absolutely nothing is ever truly confirmed or denied. And often statements made by characters, or the narrarator GW/BL often retcons them by saying the character which said them was lying, or purposefully spreading misinformation.

I have explained quite clearly how konrad faked his death, if you disagree that is your opinion.

Which is why I question how long you have followed warhammer 40k from when it first debuted. Because your opinions reflect those of an individual who has not been around long enough to see and know that "outlandish" theories like these often turn out to be true in one way or another. GW/BL never set anything in stone, it is their golden rule to marketing.
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Just because conspiracies happened doesn't mean absolutely crazy, off-the-wall conspiracies happened as well.
And you changing your story twice mid-discussion does not help your credibility either.
Also, you dabbled in novels? How does one dabble in a novel? You read every sixth page or something?
As to my perception I have not changed my core structure to my presentation at all.

The only change I made was when I mistakingly referred to sahaa and soul hunter as the same individual in one of my post.
Ok, so in Soul Hunter M'shen is said to have ran off with Konrads head. I would like you to explain what this actually was according to your theory?
So by your logic of sahaal told everyone a lie about Konrads death I could say somthing along the lines of, Horus was not killed by the Emperor it was all a complicated lie spread by the Emperor.

Whats that Im wrong?

Prove it, there were no witnessess and even though everyone says that he was they are all wrong. (This is an example everyone else I dont actually believe this)
Against my better judgement im replying here again if not just to apparently defend how much i know of 40k. Ive been playing and reading the material and books for about 10 years. This is plenty of time to get a good and educated opinion on such matters, you don't even need that long. And lots of things are set in stone by GW, so so many things are.

Horus rebeled against the Emperor.
Sagunius is dead
Dorn is dead
Horus even more dead
The Lion is in the rock
There were 20 Primarchs
The Emperor is on the Golden Throne
Angron serves Khorne
Mortarion serves Nurgle
Magnus serves Tzeentch
Lorgar and the Word Beares are responsible for the Heresy

I could go on and on and on, and alot of these may seem like fairly obvious points, but they are as obvious as Konrads death and set in stone firmly, none of the above is subject to change, its all certain.

What so Sahaal and Soul Hunter both saw with their very own eyes Konrad being beheaded, but actually didn't they only said, thought and thorugh a 3rd person perspective pretended to see it(possibly the most retarded setence ive ever had to type) just to trick us??

By your logic i contest that in Thousand Sons Russ actually landed on Prosepero peacefully sat down and had a drink with Magnus discussing the finer point of life before both razing Tizca to the ground and peacefully departing the planet with the agreement to lie to everyone that there was a massive fight. While all this was going on, the 7 legions had a dance party on Istvaan and Fulgrim and Ferrus Manus came up with an elaborate plan to make evryone think that Fulgrim cut Ferus head off, Horus then pretended to see Fulgrim throw Ferrus head at him to trick the readers. All entirely possible if we use your logic
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Alright...some seem to take this in jest..

First I do believe dorn is still alive, his body was never found only his hands and weapons.

Secondly, I also ferrus is still alive, during his battle with fulgrim I believe fulgrim with the last of his humanity spared ferrus, where he then went into hiding on mars.

Yes sahaal purposefully lied to the readers, all books as stated by gw and bl are to be from the perspective of imperial documentation. Thus haunter knowing the imperium would be seeking confirmation of his death had sahaal tactfully lie in the third person to cement it.

Any other questions?

As for horus....there are rumors it is he who is on the golden throne.
W....T.....F how the living fuck is ferrus still alive without a head?
W....T.....F how the living fuck is ferrus still alive without a head?
I second that.

Answer my question yet?
How new to Warhammer 40k are you to believe it is Horus on the Golden Throne? How many books stating the reverse of what you think will it take before you come to your senses?
Dorns dead, his body was found, its in a chapel on Phalanx encased in amber cotoured to fit his body.

I'm not even going to comment on what you said about Ferrus.

And no, not all BL books are taken from the Imperial perspective, show me where it says that. None of the HH books are told from imperial documentation

Are you trolling? seriously?
The HH books are from imperial viewpoint, we the readers are reading archived knowledge....its stated by gw. Archived and processed by the imperium.

As for dorn...somebooks say his body was found, while others have plainly stated only his hands and weapons were found. Which you choose to believe is your choice...

As for ferrus, some books have hinted subtly that he is actually hiding on mars, waiting for some thing. As for him being decapitated? That is explained by fulgrim sparing him, making a dealwith the demon of the laer blade to fake ferrus's (his best friend) death in trade for possession of his body (fulgrim).

I appologize ultra, what is your question/s?
So whose head does Fulgrim give to Horus?
And is the Word Bearer trilogy also from the Imperial viewpoint?
So whose head does Fulgrim give to Horus?
A fake, created by the daemon of the laer blade, another head transmuted to replicate ferrus's head.
And is the Word Bearer trilogy also from the Imperial viewpoint?
It truly is your choice to decide how you perceive the story, do you follow GW's word to the print, or subjectively interpret it knowing that it is processed by imperial agents for archival? Or perhaps a mix of both?

You the reader are the inquisitor reading these files of historic significance, its your choice to decide what is true, what is not, and to what degree of truth some thing is.
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