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Chaos have been fucked over consistently since 2007, I think most players are used to it by now and either use a different Codex or lump the one you have.
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Until they become S6 and/or AP3 they're still near worthless. Giving them a S5 AP4 Ignores Cover Template would make them a lot more competitive along the lines of Wyverns. Compared to what a Wyvern throws out, (4 TL'd S4 Shred) Blasts, for the same cost, a Whirlwind throwing out a single S5 AP4 blast is ridiculously underpowered. Alternatively, give it 2 shots, or make it accurate on the move (perhaps a 2" guidance move to represent the high level AI warheads and allow it to fire as if the target was line of sight similar to how nuncio boxes work, THEN it's good.
It will be forever that way, because unlike AM, SM don't need much help to deal with T4, and if they do, well, a Thunderfire does the same, but better, and is no longer the glass cannon it once was.
Sorry to hear that that unit won't be coming 1-3.
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Also, via Bird in the Trees:
Deathwatch Kill Team Kit
Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit
SM-box-sternguard
Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:
– Over a dozen shoulderpads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)
– New Deathwatch heads
– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks
– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)
– Deathwatch pouches, seals, etc, minor bits.
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There's also some uncertainty wether the Deatwatch VS Stealercult is a standalone game (assassin style) or a "starter set".
Deathwatch Kill Team Kit
Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit
SM-box-sternguard
Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:
– Over a dozen shoulderpads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)
– New Deathwatch heads
– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks
– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)
– Deathwatch pouches, seals, etc, minor bits.
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There's also some uncertainty wether the Deatwatch VS Stealercult is a standalone game (assassin style) or a "starter set".
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this would make me a happy bunny, sternguard are my most popular space marine kit at the moment and shoving another sprue in the box would just be gravy and throw in a kill team deathwatch codex/board game too would be extra special gravy with bits of meat in it.
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Like the sound of all of that tbh.
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Makes sense people have been calling for chapter stuff for years.
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Salamanders...devastator squad? That makes very little sense to me, guess I don't know their fluff very well.
White Scars already have a bike squad upgrade sprue, and while I would love to see anything new I get the feeling it will make my converted WS Captain look less awesome to see them next to each other (kind of like the new BA Tactical squad as anything other than Sternguard unless you're starting fresh or have already gone the hardcore 'convert everything with DC parts' route).
Either way, my SM(IF) army is now on hold until a new Codex is released because not one of my collections have survived a new Codex without having something crucial changed about how I'm filling out my force.
White Scars already have a bike squad upgrade sprue, and while I would love to see anything new I get the feeling it will make my converted WS Captain look less awesome to see them next to each other (kind of like the new BA Tactical squad as anything other than Sternguard unless you're starting fresh or have already gone the hardcore 'convert everything with DC parts' route).
Either way, my SM(IF) army is now on hold until a new Codex is released because not one of my collections have survived a new Codex without having something crucial changed about how I'm filling out my force.
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Land raider C and R are fast attack.....
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Anyone notice the allusion to Black Templar returning with their own Codex?
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That at least will if it happens will please BT players and collectors.
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BT Codex to be the test dex for space marines instead of DA ? Thats unheard of!
No way Land Raiders are fast attack thats doesnt make any sense whatsoever!
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it wouldn't be surprising, they were only a last minute edition to the last codex and weren't in some of the drafts at all
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I hope to fuck I can abuse that Land Speeder rule by putting a Space Marine IC on a bike inside a squad.
@Stormxlr; really? LR as Fast attack doesn't make sense? Pray tell then, what Heavy Support does a Land Raider bring? A Heavy Bolter and 2 Lascannons?
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@Stormxlr; really? LR as Fast attack doesn't make sense? Pray tell then, what Heavy Support does a Land Raider bring? A Heavy Bolter and 2 Lascannons?
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