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I miss when Chaos Space Marines were a thing... Yeah we got Daemonkin Codex... but TBH outside of the Gorepack and the Lord of AxeCheese who makes 2 Blood Thirsters that codex basically sucked. Even then it was affectively a reprint of CSM and Daemon codex but Khorne only with no fancy new rules and bits other than the army one for blood points.
Chaos have been fucked over consistently since 2007, I think most players are used to it by now and either use a different Codex or lump the one you have.
 

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Glad Whirlwind are being squadroned. May not make them up to must haves but it makes them more attractive.
Until they become S6 and/or AP3 they're still near worthless. Giving them a S5 AP4 Ignores Cover Template would make them a lot more competitive along the lines of Wyverns. Compared to what a Wyvern throws out, (4 TL'd S4 Shred) Blasts, for the same cost, a Whirlwind throwing out a single S5 AP4 blast is ridiculously underpowered. Alternatively, give it 2 shots, or make it accurate on the move (perhaps a 2" guidance move to represent the high level AI warheads and allow it to fire as if the target was line of sight similar to how nuncio boxes work, THEN it's good.

It will be forever that way, because unlike AM, SM don't need much help to deal with T4, and if they do, well, a Thunderfire does the same, but better, and is no longer the glass cannon it once was.

Sorry to hear that that unit won't be coming 1-3.



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It will be forever that way, because unlike AM, SM don't need much help to deal with T4, and if they do, well, a Thunderfire does the same, but better, and is no longer the glass cannon it once was.
Amen. Basically with that unit they crippled the already cripple whirlwind
 

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Also, via Bird in the Trees:

Deathwatch Kill Team Kit
Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit

SM-box-sternguard
Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:

– Over a dozen shoulderpads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)

– New Deathwatch heads

– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks

– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)

– Deathwatch pouches, seals, etc, minor bits.
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There's also some uncertainty wether the Deatwatch VS Stealercult is a standalone game (assassin style) or a "starter set".
 

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Also, via Bird in the Trees:

Deathwatch Kill Team Kit
Kit is built atop the Plastic Sternguard kit

SM-box-sternguard
Includes an additional Deathwatch sprue loaded with Killteam bits including:

– Over a dozen shoulderpads (Half Deathwatch logos, half various chapter logos)

– New Deathwatch heads

– Multiple Deathwatch equipment back/powerpacks

– Unique Killteam weapons (both shooting and assault)

– Deathwatch pouches, seals, etc, minor bits.
this would make me a happy bunny, sternguard are my most popular space marine kit at the moment and shoving another sprue in the box would just be gravy and throw in a kill team deathwatch codex/board game too would be extra special gravy with bits of meat in it.



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Some more news...
via Steve the Warboss 5-4-2015

Chapter-specific Boxed Sets coming alongside new Space Marine Codex:-Ultramarines Sternguard Squad
-Raven Guard Assault Squad
-White Scars Bike Squad
-Salamanders Devastator Squad
 

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http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/05/space-marine-rule-updates-for-coming.html

he Space Marine codex is due according to rumors in early June, and some information is being talked about that gives us some insight to the what might be in that codex. Here is the latest Space Marine Information.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Steve the Warboss on Faeit 212
My sources tell me the following content for the coming SM Codex:

Rules
-Chapter Tactics remains
-Chapter Tactics unlock Characters and exclusive Relics
-Black Templar are gone
-Legion of the Damned are gone

Space Marine Captain
-5 points cheaper
-Chapter Master is now a upgrade for the captain

Maneus Calgar
-Is now a Lord of War

Iron Hands Character
-New Character
-Special Thunder Hammer with Area Damage
-Melta and Flamer combined Weapon

Space Marine Librarian
-Lexicanium is the base profile
-5 points cheaper
-Can be upgraded to a Codicier or a Episolary

Space Marine Command Squad
-Bike or Jump Pack option remains
-Honour Guard is gone

Terminator Command Squad
-Only when a Terminator Captain is in the Dettachment
-3 to 9 Terminators

Tactical Squad
-1 point cheaper per Marine

Land Speeder
-Can join Units with Bikes when the LS Squadron includes only one Model

Tanks
-Predators, Vindicators and Whirlwinds can form Squadrons of 1-3 Tanks
-No Land Raider Squadrons in the Codex
-Land Raider Redeemer and Crusade are Fast Attack

Dettachments
-Three in one Codex
-Codex Astartes Battle Company
-Raven Guard Strike Squadron
-White Scars Hunting Party
 

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You just ninja'ed me :)
some of this rumors..i can smell the bullshit!
 

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Salamanders...devastator squad? That makes very little sense to me, guess I don't know their fluff very well.

White Scars already have a bike squad upgrade sprue, and while I would love to see anything new I get the feeling it will make my converted WS Captain look less awesome to see them next to each other (kind of like the new BA Tactical squad as anything other than Sternguard unless you're starting fresh or have already gone the hardcore 'convert everything with DC parts' route).

Either way, my SM(IF) army is now on hold until a new Codex is released because not one of my collections have survived a new Codex without having something crucial changed about how I'm filling out my force.
 

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Termie command squad back! Please be true! Redeemers and Crusaders as fast attack oh my, is that a nudge in my pants!
 

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Anyone notice the allusion to Black Templar returning with their own Codex?
it wouldn't be surprising, they were only a last minute edition to the last codex and weren't in some of the drafts at all
 

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I hope to fuck I can abuse that Land Speeder rule by putting a Space Marine IC on a bike inside a squad.
@Stormxlr; really? LR as Fast attack doesn't make sense? Pray tell then, what Heavy Support does a Land Raider bring? A Heavy Bolter and 2 Lascannons?
It needs a ramming attack.
 
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