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Hey guys,
I played 40k about five years ago and loved it though I kept looking at the fantasy line and saying 'if only I had the money to start a new army'. I stopped playing 40k because my friend that I played with moved away and the couple times I went to a local store to play all I found was young power gamers who whined more than they played which was a turn off and I got rid of my armies (Dark Elf and Space Wolves). I played well with DE, but the glass cannon mentality was not necessarily enjoyable. I loved the durability of my Space Wolves but my opponents Tau and Tyrannids often chewed them apart with sheer numbers.
My impression of Fantasy is that it attracts a slightly more mature and friendly group of players on average. Is that a fair assessment?
I am in a bit of an odd situation because I'm in Afghanistan with the military currently. I've ordered the 8th edition rulebook and read it cover to cover. I also ordered the army books for Warriors of Chaos, Orcs and Goblins, Vampire Counts, Empire, and Bretonnia. After reading them I found that I really liked the fluff for Warriors of Chaos and Vampire Counts. Orcs and Goblins was ok, but the idea of my units fighting each other at the most inopurtune times was a real turn off. Empire seemed a little generic, and Bretonnia really surprised me at how uninteresting they are.
I'm not concerned with having the 'best' army necessarily. I am concerned with having a competitive and fun army but after reading the rulebook and seeing the shooting, magic, and close combat phases I thought, 'Hey, I'd like an army that can often win two of those phases'. Is that something I should be concerned with?
I feel in both armies I am automatically losing the shooting phase.
With vampire counts I feel I can reasonably expect to do serious damage in the magic phase and to spawn tons undead. I also played around with the idea of giving the vampire lore of shadows so he can jump from unit to unit everytime he casts a spell and keep him in battle. On the other hand I feel that the hordes of undead will be cut down in droves and cause little damage because of their generally bad statline.
With Warriors of Chaos I feel like I can dominate the CC phase - if I can get to the enemy. THat I see as a bit of a risky proposition against many opponents. I also feel like I really have to choose either CC dominance with weakish magic or CC adequacy with good magic. I would be interested to hear thoughts.
Admittedly, I like the fluff behind Dark Elves again but I want to stay away from the glass cannon aspect. On the other hand I haven't read their army book but assume they are the most balanced of the three.
If I can decide between the two armies, or if anyone has other suggestions for me to consider. I want to start converting some models here on the days off I get and then paint them when I go home early next year.
Sorry this post rambles a bit, but I feel like to get good advice I have to let the more experienced heretics know both my background and why and how I narrowed down the list of armys.
I played 40k about five years ago and loved it though I kept looking at the fantasy line and saying 'if only I had the money to start a new army'. I stopped playing 40k because my friend that I played with moved away and the couple times I went to a local store to play all I found was young power gamers who whined more than they played which was a turn off and I got rid of my armies (Dark Elf and Space Wolves). I played well with DE, but the glass cannon mentality was not necessarily enjoyable. I loved the durability of my Space Wolves but my opponents Tau and Tyrannids often chewed them apart with sheer numbers.
My impression of Fantasy is that it attracts a slightly more mature and friendly group of players on average. Is that a fair assessment?
I am in a bit of an odd situation because I'm in Afghanistan with the military currently. I've ordered the 8th edition rulebook and read it cover to cover. I also ordered the army books for Warriors of Chaos, Orcs and Goblins, Vampire Counts, Empire, and Bretonnia. After reading them I found that I really liked the fluff for Warriors of Chaos and Vampire Counts. Orcs and Goblins was ok, but the idea of my units fighting each other at the most inopurtune times was a real turn off. Empire seemed a little generic, and Bretonnia really surprised me at how uninteresting they are.
I'm not concerned with having the 'best' army necessarily. I am concerned with having a competitive and fun army but after reading the rulebook and seeing the shooting, magic, and close combat phases I thought, 'Hey, I'd like an army that can often win two of those phases'. Is that something I should be concerned with?
I feel in both armies I am automatically losing the shooting phase.
With vampire counts I feel I can reasonably expect to do serious damage in the magic phase and to spawn tons undead. I also played around with the idea of giving the vampire lore of shadows so he can jump from unit to unit everytime he casts a spell and keep him in battle. On the other hand I feel that the hordes of undead will be cut down in droves and cause little damage because of their generally bad statline.
With Warriors of Chaos I feel like I can dominate the CC phase - if I can get to the enemy. THat I see as a bit of a risky proposition against many opponents. I also feel like I really have to choose either CC dominance with weakish magic or CC adequacy with good magic. I would be interested to hear thoughts.
Admittedly, I like the fluff behind Dark Elves again but I want to stay away from the glass cannon aspect. On the other hand I haven't read their army book but assume they are the most balanced of the three.
If I can decide between the two armies, or if anyone has other suggestions for me to consider. I want to start converting some models here on the days off I get and then paint them when I go home early next year.
Sorry this post rambles a bit, but I feel like to get good advice I have to let the more experienced heretics know both my background and why and how I narrowed down the list of armys.