I play BA although I bought the CSM Dex to get to know my enemy. I like the changes made and its a fun army to play against. The new models are definately cool IMO!!!
New Chaos Codex Poll
I'm going to be interesred in how many folks dig it, and how many hate it.
A lot of folks are bitching about it, a lot are saying they dig it.
I want to see some numbers on this!
A lot of folks are bitching about it, a lot are saying they dig it.
I want to see some numbers on this!
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I find it to be quicker to use. I miss all the options but I can live without them. They just had SO many choices that it could get to you,and thats just the lord.
The overwhelming amount of choices is what I always loved about the old codex.
It felt like my army - both in modeling and game terms.
No offense, but to me the new one has the words "cookie cutter" written all over it.
It felt like my army - both in modeling and game terms.
No offense, but to me the new one has the words "cookie cutter" written all over it.
They're far to over powered I mean in my mind chaos marines should either be weaker than marines and cost less to show how they've fallen OR a lot more expensive to show the demonic gifts given unto them=]
Given the two choices I selected abomination, but that's not really stating the case.
The new codex streamlines a lot of things, did indeed fix some of the excesses of the old one...but in my own humble opinion, went too far in so doing. It has its own excesses and is just as abusable as the old one, only in different ways.
I was a Legion player, my second oldest army are the World Eaters. Note, World Eaters Legion, not a Khornate army. Had they gone a bit further towards the old RoC Legion list (yes, it was a Legion list and I still have the books) I'd probably be happier. They didn't.
The old Legion list had havocs and so on, much as a Loyalist Chapter would...the Berserkers were the Chosen at that time and frenzied when enemy got within 12". In 2e, the fluff 'advanced' saying that the World Eaters ,while scattered into various warbands, still regarded themselves as First Founding Marines but had dropped all pretenses at tactical flexibility in favor of close combat over everything else. This held true in 3e too. Then we got the IA articles for them and the rules for their Legion, or the warbands made up of members of that Legion...remember, they still regard themselves as First Founding Marines...and things were still pretty cohesive from a background standpoint.
Then came the new dex...and discarded much of what went before. Now they have an Icon, the bearer of which can be shot...and if he is then the so-called World Eaters around him suddenly lose all faith in Khorne. *shrugs*
It works for a lot of folks out there, and for them I am very happy. Enjoy it guys. It does not work for me: I am primarily a background players and my army, heavily converted to adhere to nearly two decades of background, became rather...lackluster to me. The things that drove me to build it are gone.
Counts as doesn't work for me like it does for others. To me they are not World Eaters any longer, saving the Berserkers, but rather Khornate troops, wannabes in a way. Remember, this is all my own personal perspective, I am not speaking for anyone else at all.
The new codex removed all of the most important bits that attracted me to the army. I am not so much a Chaos player as a World Eaters player.
For most, this will be tagged as whining or being spoiled. So be it. I speak only for myself and from my own perspective. The new Codex removed the fun of the army for *me*. Please don't try to convince me I am in error, it's a subjective thing. If it works for most folks I am truly happy for them. It just doesn't work for me.
To each their own. I have returned to my Salamanders, the only army I have played longer than World Eaters, and to my favorites, the Ebon Chalice Battlesisters.
Rock on guys. Rock on.
Sister Sin
The new codex streamlines a lot of things, did indeed fix some of the excesses of the old one...but in my own humble opinion, went too far in so doing. It has its own excesses and is just as abusable as the old one, only in different ways.
I was a Legion player, my second oldest army are the World Eaters. Note, World Eaters Legion, not a Khornate army. Had they gone a bit further towards the old RoC Legion list (yes, it was a Legion list and I still have the books) I'd probably be happier. They didn't.
The old Legion list had havocs and so on, much as a Loyalist Chapter would...the Berserkers were the Chosen at that time and frenzied when enemy got within 12". In 2e, the fluff 'advanced' saying that the World Eaters ,while scattered into various warbands, still regarded themselves as First Founding Marines but had dropped all pretenses at tactical flexibility in favor of close combat over everything else. This held true in 3e too. Then we got the IA articles for them and the rules for their Legion, or the warbands made up of members of that Legion...remember, they still regard themselves as First Founding Marines...and things were still pretty cohesive from a background standpoint.
Then came the new dex...and discarded much of what went before. Now they have an Icon, the bearer of which can be shot...and if he is then the so-called World Eaters around him suddenly lose all faith in Khorne. *shrugs*
It works for a lot of folks out there, and for them I am very happy. Enjoy it guys. It does not work for me: I am primarily a background players and my army, heavily converted to adhere to nearly two decades of background, became rather...lackluster to me. The things that drove me to build it are gone.
Counts as doesn't work for me like it does for others. To me they are not World Eaters any longer, saving the Berserkers, but rather Khornate troops, wannabes in a way. Remember, this is all my own personal perspective, I am not speaking for anyone else at all.
The new codex removed all of the most important bits that attracted me to the army. I am not so much a Chaos player as a World Eaters player.
For most, this will be tagged as whining or being spoiled. So be it. I speak only for myself and from my own perspective. The new Codex removed the fun of the army for *me*. Please don't try to convince me I am in error, it's a subjective thing. If it works for most folks I am truly happy for them. It just doesn't work for me.
To each their own. I have returned to my Salamanders, the only army I have played longer than World Eaters, and to my favorites, the Ebon Chalice Battlesisters.
Rock on guys. Rock on.
Sister Sin
The united an army.... That its theme was chaotic.... That doesnt float with me 
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.Well this has been an interesting read. However this new Codex is not fit to use in my bathroom:angry: You can certainly tell the purists from the gamers. There is nothing in this Codex, that does not scream GW has given in to Corprate greed IMO.
The last version was what Chaos was about. You paid the points to field your version of the Legion of your choice. Now if some cry-baby didn't like being handed by some IW force at a Tourny, maybe they should have begged, borrowed, or bought a copy of the Codex. So that they could realize what may happen to them. The only complaints about the last codex,I heard from people in my area was. They wished that, Space Marines could be that customizable. Which was granted to them when their lastest Codex was released.
As previous this has greed written all over. The new figs and Huron's rules should have been in a WD article, nothing more.
The last version was what Chaos was about. You paid the points to field your version of the Legion of your choice. Now if some cry-baby didn't like being handed by some IW force at a Tourny, maybe they should have begged, borrowed, or bought a copy of the Codex. So that they could realize what may happen to them. The only complaints about the last codex,I heard from people in my area was. They wished that, Space Marines could be that customizable. Which was granted to them when their lastest Codex was released.
As previous this has greed written all over. The new figs and Huron's rules should have been in a WD article, nothing more.
they turned a Chaos Legion list into a Renegade Chapter list. they made it Naff
They're far to over powered I mean in my mind chaos marines should either be weaker than marines and cost less to show how they've fallen OR a lot more expensive to show the demonic gifts given unto them=]
remeber, the new CSM are just RENEGADE marines, so not any special stuff except for the thousand sons, DG, WE, and EC, which also have their drawbacks
Also for sister sin, I understand what you are saying, and I might be confused about what you said but, Khorne beserkers don't have an Icon they have a mark like before. And I fully understand your opinion, while as for me I like it, its simpler(My opinion).
in Fluff(unsure now) the Progenitor Legions are alot stronger then any other Marines because they have direct blood link to their Primarch. the Newer Loyalist and Renegade chapters, Even Progenitor chapters are weaker now because they dont have a new Blood supply for the Gene-seed.
the Chaos legions how ever are ALOT stronger and their Organs haven't shutdown or gone into Disuse because they have the strongest Gene-seeds.
they should of just made a Variant list like the legions for Renegade chapters with its own Trade offs like the legion lists do. I am not a Chaos player but i hate seeing commercialism Ruining a game.
EDIT:
i started converting a Demon prince form a Dreadnought for fun only to find out he can only have sorcery/Marks/wings for upgrades! so now my Demon princes "Ass cannon" arm is a count as for doom bolt!
the Chaos legions how ever are ALOT stronger and their Organs haven't shutdown or gone into Disuse because they have the strongest Gene-seeds.
they should of just made a Variant list like the legions for Renegade chapters with its own Trade offs like the legion lists do. I am not a Chaos player but i hate seeing commercialism Ruining a game.
EDIT:
i started converting a Demon prince form a Dreadnought for fun only to find out he can only have sorcery/Marks/wings for upgrades! so now my Demon princes "Ass cannon" arm is a count as for doom bolt!
Well if GW wanted to showcase Renegade Marines, they mabye it should have been called The Lost and Damned Codex.remeber, the new CSM are just RENEGADE marines, so not any special stuff except for the thousand sons, DG, WE, and EC, which also have their drawbacks
The whole point of the codex "IN MY OPINION" was to keep those huge army eating charcters out and away wipe the traces of the world once known as "herohammer". The new codex is also to show the fractious nature of chaos with the ability ti change from god to god and warband to warband. I'm also guessing that you said it was an "abomination"?
Sounds more like Black Legion fluff to me.The new codex is also to show the fractious nature of chaos with the ability ti change from god to god and warband to warband.
Actually, i like the new codex...Once you open your mind, the possibilities are endless. And thats why i voted it as an improvement.
The lists are so varied and everything is viable!
The lists are so varied and everything is viable!
I preferred the old codex.
IMO the new book is too generic. I liked re-reading the old book and finding something I had missed every time. NOT game winning stuff just quirky stuff.
IMO the new book is too generic. I liked re-reading the old book and finding something I had missed every time. NOT game winning stuff just quirky stuff.
>> I have read the new dex. And yes, some parts of it suck, like making people have to think about how they going to make a legion from the list! The only thing that really bursts me is the way the wargear list has been cut away so that there is no gifts, vehicular upgrades and all. But in general I think its a pretty good dex. The nerfing was gonna happen, the bitchin was gonna happen. All I gonna do is work wi the dex, and make do with what I got, cos no amount of moaning is gonna change the dex.
I just don't like the idea of uniting an army that is known for hating each other. It makes no sense, and im an Iron Warriors player who just lost everything that made me like my army . If i was just a chaos player that didnt have a legion (Khorne, or Nurgle or any of the others) I would be ok with it, but as i played a legion (was working on a Tzeench(sp) army along with Iron Warriors) I feel betrayed and angry, which is why im not buying anything new for chaos and moving on to one of my other armies. If this keeps up im going to stop playing Warhammer and that is bad for GW since i spend upwards of 200+ dollars a month on the game, along with my friends who i convince to play. I miss Andy Chambers
. If i was just a chaos player that didnt have a legion (Khorne, or Nurgle or any of the others) I would be ok with it, but as i played a legion (was working on a Tzeench(sp) army along with Iron Warriors) I feel betrayed and angry, which is why im not buying anything new for chaos and moving on to one of my other armies. If this keeps up im going to stop playing Warhammer and that is bad for GW since i spend upwards of 200+ dollars a month on the game, along with my friends who i convince to play. I miss Andy Chambers
You might not be able to play with Iron warriors in normal games, but now that apocalypse was released tourneys are begging to appear for Apoc so then your Iron Warriors would sort of be back
Just doesnt feel the sameYou might not be able to play with Iron warriors in normal games, but now that apocalypse was released tourneys are begging to appear for Apoc so then your Iron Warriors would sort of be back
. Besides, if GW didnt do this i would have bought 2 Baneblades to turn to Iron Warriors, but since they nerfed my faction, no more money for them :fuck:
Since a World Eaters army as it attracted me no longer exists, I simply stopped playing Chaos at all.
I know, Berserkers are still World Eaters. Not good enough for me as I said before. I was attracted to a large warband of pure World Eaters, not a group of wannabes employing World Eaters. Personal thing; I don't do counts as, I don't feel interested in painting a model as a World Eater when it most patently is not a World Eater. I have no interest in including units that simply aren't what World Eaters have been for a very long time now; close combat junkies. I don't care that Berserkers are more effective than they were. That's just me.
Other people have no problem with such things and I say more power to them.
I was a Legion player, a World Eaters player, not a Chaos player actually.
But hey, the new Codex works for a lot of people, makes them happy. That's shiny; I think that's cool. Just doesn't work for me.
So since I got a huge amount of Eldar for Yuletide, including Apoc units of them, I'll go into those now...my own Craftworld too. My World Eaters are, for the moment, on the shelf. I may decide to sell or give them away; even the extremely converted pieces.
To each their own.
Sister Sin
I know, Berserkers are still World Eaters. Not good enough for me as I said before. I was attracted to a large warband of pure World Eaters, not a group of wannabes employing World Eaters. Personal thing; I don't do counts as, I don't feel interested in painting a model as a World Eater when it most patently is not a World Eater. I have no interest in including units that simply aren't what World Eaters have been for a very long time now; close combat junkies. I don't care that Berserkers are more effective than they were. That's just me.
Other people have no problem with such things and I say more power to them.
I was a Legion player, a World Eaters player, not a Chaos player actually.
But hey, the new Codex works for a lot of people, makes them happy. That's shiny; I think that's cool. Just doesn't work for me.
So since I got a huge amount of Eldar for Yuletide, including Apoc units of them, I'll go into those now...my own Craftworld too. My World Eaters are, for the moment, on the shelf. I may decide to sell or give them away; even the extremely converted pieces.
To each their own.
Sister Sin
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