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I'm going to be interesred in how many folks dig it, and how many hate it.

A lot of folks are bitching about it, a lot are saying they dig it.

I want to see some numbers on this!
 

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I think this is a step in the right direction for GW. Chaos has been sorely needing an update for a while, so it's nice that they are pretty much re-releasing the entire model range as well as the codex. I shall reserve final judement until it hits the shelves, but it looks good so far.
 

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The way I see it, Chaos Space marines were WAY WAYYY overpowered and needed a leash in order to be at least remotely balanced with the other armies.

What I don't care for is the overwhelming generic'ism of the Chaos Legions and Daemons, but at least it's at least somewhat balanced in comparison to Space Marines.

In this version: Daemons are daemons, whatever you call them, nurglings, bloodletters, daemonettes...they are just minor daemons now. Bloodthirsters, Lord of Change, etc...just a major Daemon now.

Plague Marines, Thousand Sons, Berserkers, Noise Marines...all simply troop choices now.

I dunno. I think it screws up people wanting to make a pure Death Guard Army or Wold Eaters, or Word Bearers army a bit...but then...it doesn't.

Take your Plague Marines as troop choices, take your HQ and model him up as a nurgle guy, take possessed nurgle-looking guys and nurglings (lesser daemons) and you have a Death Guard force...and you get more choices now for Fast Attack and Heavies too.
 

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>> Have i missed something? Has the dex been realesed, or are you lot bought it at games day or summit? Not all have the book, so im just going to com plain about how unfair, and cruel, and shitty and etc etc etc. you lot are. :x
 

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I havent seen it yet, but Im sure it'll have improvements. I dont like losing Vet skills,wargear and mutated hull, but what can you do. I love the Idea of the future Demon codex. I also dont like losing the sections with the non-cult traitor legions. They are the heart and soul of 40k.
 

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I like it quite a bit actually. Only the Possessed seem pointless (with other units being cheaper and more effective for less points) so far and there is now a reason to take everything in the book. I am also HUGELY glad to be rid of the ancient enemies rules as I never did like the idea that I couldn't take a full mix of units in all parts of the FOC.

Oh and my Thousand Sons kick ass again. 'Nuff said :D
 

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>> Have i missed something? Has the dex been realesed, or are you lot bought it at games day or summit? Not all have the book, so im just going to com plain about how unfair, and cruel, and shitty and etc etc etc. you lot are. :x
Actually we all got copies as part of a super-secret sect that you aren't a part of. Unfortunately you have to wait until october for it. Sorry.

:)

Just Joking.
 

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Its an improvement, can't really be bothered to explain why, just read all the moaning and its an obvious improvement
 

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Heh, I am already starting to see the cries of cheese and the book isn't even out yet. Apparently the Lash of Submission is cheese, AP3 bolters are cheese, mixing marks and icons is cheese.... it never ends.
 

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And the problem with cheese is?

Heaven forbid that a codex should be fluffy and keeping with the background aye guys.

But seriously, the main thing I wasn't keen on was the deamons and I've got over that now. The only thing was asthetic only adn doesn't actually effect the playing of the race.
 

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Heh, I am already starting to see the cries of cheese and the book isn't even out yet. Apparently the Lash of Submission is cheese, AP3 bolters are cheese, mixing marks and icons is cheese.... it never ends.
From a guard players perspective the list is awesome.

Lash of Submission is worthless as are AP3 Bolters.

Thanks GW!

(Watch me get owned by the first new dex chaos list I play...)
 

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I like some parts of the book, and really hate others!

Like SoH, i don't like the fact that they have moved away from the fluff. I agree, no, Khorne and Slannesh or Nurgle and Tzeench should not work together.

What GW has done is leave it up to the players (never a good idea) to deside how to balance the army. The Lash power is laughable and will be abused at every opportunity! lol. Arhiman is SSSSSOOOOOOO expencive, but i so would! He's the daddy!

I want to know if turdo boosting would give a Tzeench guy a 2+ invu save?

I like the Defiler now, and the inclusion of the Vindicator (see lash of submission).

I think that the Nurgle Daemon weapon sucks but all the rest are fairly cool! The Slaanesh one is a bit harsh tho!

I dont like the Greater Daemons and lesser daemons things. Tho, horrors have technically got better! lol

I think some of the combos will funny, Tzeench biker army for example.


MarzM :mrgreen:
 

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Like SoH, i don't like the fact that they have moved away from the fluff. I agree, no, Khorne and Slannesh or Nurgle and Tzeench should not work together.
Well technically they do work together. Black Legion has units from all the chaos gods - all mixed in together.

But I know where you are coming from. People will take the Dex out of context and half and half armies will spring up everywhere even though they are very unfluffy.
 

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Lash of Submission is worthless as are AP3 Bolters.
Uh are you kidding?

I want to know if turdo boosting would give a Tzeench guy a 2+ invu save?
Yes, yes it would :)
 
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