[The Fallen]

ok, how does this army list sound? Good? Bad? how could one use this now and how can one best build on it?

HQ:
Avatar
2 Autarchs

ELITES:
11 Fire Dragons
11 Striking Scorpions
11 Howling Banshees

TROOPS:
14 OOP Guardians with scatter laser platform
10 Guardians with scatter laser platform
5 Rangers / Pathfinders

FAST ATTACK:
Vyper with scatter laser and shuriken cannon

HEAVY SUPPORT:
3 Falcons with interchangeable turrets (can also be Wave Serpents)
2 Wraithlords with star cannons
5 Dark Reapers

haven't done the points on them but with the knowledge that this forum has, does this sound any good?

Any comments (whether good, bad or anything in between) welcome

 

[Glasqul]

First of all, it sounds "illegal".
The forece organisation chart gives you:

2 HQ
3 Elites
3 Fast
6 Troops
3 Heavy

You have:
3 HQ
6 Elites(each of your choices is limited to 10, so with 11 that will be 2 units)
6 Heavy support

Best regards
Robin

 

[Inquisitor Malaclypse]

any idea how many points you want to build?

if you can tell us that someone may be able to come up with a sample list for you, or just do a forum search to peruse some lists.

and welcome to Heresy.

 

[JeroenFM]

Question: do you actually own a codex?

 

[mercer]

You have more foot units than mech so I'd drop the fire dragons and howling banshees as they'll get gunned down and take ages to reach a target or get into combat.

Take the avatar, 3 wraithlords and then guardians for cheap troops. However foot armies don't last long I'd more than likely mech everything up and take mass wave serpents tbh.

 

[jaws900]

as Glasqul pointed out it is illigal. and not in the cheese way but the "You have twice the Elite choices you are allowed"

Byt the sound of it that this isn't a list that you have more what modals you have so baced on that i'll try and see what i can do.

Ok so here is an ok list for you;

HQ
Autarch w/ Mandiblasters, Power weapon - 90pts

TROOPS
10 Guardians w/ Scatter laser, Enbolden Warlock - 125pts
5 Ragers -95pts

Eiltes
10 Scorpions w/ Claw Exarch, Bright Lance Wave serpent - 322pts
10 Howling Banshees w/ Executioner Exarch, War Shout, Bright Lance Wave serpent - 317pts
6 Fire Dragons w/ Fire pike Exarch, Scatter laser, Wave serpent - 231pts

Heavy Support
5 Dark Reapers w/ Exarch - 187pts
Wraithlord w/ Star Cannon, Wraith Sword - 130pts

Total - 1497pts

That should be an ok 1500pts army for you. You have a strong Mech wing and plenty of anti tank and horde. the Autarch should be with the Banshees or swap out his power sword fro a Fusion gun and put him with the Fire Dragons insead. Everyone on foot other than the Wraithlord should lend fire support and not move much and stay in cover. The Wraithlord should help who ever needs it the most.
I hope that helps some what.

 

[mercer]

HQ
Autarch w/ Mandiblasters, Power weapon - 90pts

TROOPS
10 Guardians w/ Scatter laser, Enbolden Warlock - 125pts
5 Ragers -95pts

Eiltes
10 Scorpions w/ Claw Exarch, Bright Lance Wave serpent - 322pts
10 Howling Banshees w/ Executioner Exarch, War Shout, Bright Lance Wave serpent - 317pts
6 Fire Dragons w/ Fire pike Exarch, Scatter laser, Wave serpent - 231pts

Heavy Support
5 Dark Reapers w/ Exarch - 187pts
Wraithlord w/ Star Cannon, Wraith Sword - 130pts

Total - 1497pts

A better list would drop the autarch for a farseer to act as a utility for the army.

Only 15 troops models will be a major problem for objective games. Adding a transport and another unit will make them more durable and more numbers. Lets face it rangers and guardians are not hard.

Banshees and striking scoprions suffer because they cannot assault out the transport so means zooming forward and sitting there and then bailing out next turn. I've tried both and personally prefer scorpions, but taking 3 x 5 fire dragons would be better for anti mech giving more serious anti tank fire power, a firepike isn't required either as the dragons are in the tank and all weapons have 12" range so if they do become out of range only one can fire.

Dark reapers only tackle infantry, a fire prism would be better and gives more vehicles.

Wraithlord has a big target on it and S6 starcannons only maul infantry. Another fire prism would be better here.

 

[jaws900]

A better list would drop the autarch for a farseer to act as a utility for the army.

Only 15 troops models will be a major problem for objective games. Adding a transport and another unit will make them more durable and more numbers. Lets face it rangers and guardians are not hard.

Banshees and striking scoprions suffer because they cannot assault out the transport so means zooming forward and sitting there and then bailing out next turn. I've tried both and personally prefer scorpions, but taking 3 x 5 fire dragons would be better for anti mech giving more serious anti tank fire power, a firepike isn't required either as the dragons are in the tank and all weapons have 12" range so if they do become out of range only one can fire.

Dark reapers only tackle infantry, a fire prism would be better and gives more vehicles.

Wraithlord has a big target on it and S6 starcannons only maul infantry. Another fire prism would be better here.

when i last cheaked we where trying to help "The Fallen", not destory the list the i praposed using what men he has. He can't use a Farseer becuase he doesn't have one(ya ya prokey but try telling that to a Torny). I also was condeced by points and what he had.
On a side not. I always take a Fire Pike uness points are so tight i can't afford it. Yes the extra range is almsot never needed but you forget. A longer range means a higher half range so you are more likly to in range to abuse the melta run. and for 8pts it isn't that costly. Like i said i always take one unless points are soo tight and when i cheaked i was 3pts under.

 

[The Fallen]

sorry for my lack of proficiency in english lol; I havent used it in in a while

What I ment to say was that this is what i have; this is NOT (in any way) my army list. I recently acquired these ^ models from a friend (that that hasnt played in years) because i always wanted to start an Elder army

However, since the people who i usually play against dont have Elder, and the only time I get to play them is when i go miles out to another city for a tournament. My understanding of them is not up to date (other than my codex lol). So I wanted to see what experienced Elder players thought and what you guys think i should go from here considering all i have.

Thanks for all the tips.

any idea how many points you want to build?

if you can tell us that someone may be able to come up with a sample list for you, or just do a forum search to peruse some lists.

Im trying to shoot for a 1500 to 2000 army and work my way towards a mechanized force... eventually (money determines that lol)

Wraithlord has a big target on it and S6 starcannons only maul infantry. Another fire prism would be better here.

Yeah I was thinking along the same lines as the 2 players that i regularly go against is mech IG and Tau (others include SM, Nids, GK, and sometimes Orks). But would it be considered completely useless (as my Sisters Repentia are for my SoB)?

Jaws, thanks. That seems like a good list for what I got right now. Im probably going to use that for now (so that i could get the hang of them)

As I slowly get more mechanized, what will you guys suggest getting considering my opponents? (especially those mech IG.....they have driven me nuts at times lol)

 

[Grinnsira]

IG and Tau are both about the same, shoot you till you hit my lines and I die. When I have played against them I go with serpents and shield each other with them. I will normally plow one towards his line where I want to punch a hole and bring the support serpent right up his tail.

What is the setup on your Autarchs?

Using just what you have I would go with:

Avatar (flanked by 2 guardian squads)
12 Guardians w/ scatter laser x2
5 pathfinders
5 Dark Reapers
5 Fire Dragons w/ WS
10 Banshees, Autarch, WS
10 Striking Scorpions, WS detached (infiltrate the SC and usethe WS as a shield for the 2 carrying troops
Wraithlord, SC, x2

 

[mercer]

when i last cheaked we where trying to help "The Fallen", not destory the list the i praposed using what men he has. He can't use a Farseer becuase he doesn't have one(ya ya prokey but try telling that to a Torny). I also was condeced by points and what he had.
On a side not. I always take a Fire Pike uness points are so tight i can't afford it. Yes the extra range is almsot never needed but you forget. A longer range means a higher half range so you are more likly to in range to abuse the melta run. and for 8pts it isn't that costly. Like i said i always take one unless points are soo tight and when i cheaked i was 3pts under.

Helping is advising better units to use, not crap ones and without unit redundancy and multiple targets. When building lists you should be prepared to dig into your pockets if you want a decent list.

Did you just read back what you typed about firepike? Looks like my point is made that the extra range is never needed and the other meltas wouldn't be in melta range anyway.

Oh, I have no idea sometimes what you're typing - do you mean proxy and tournament, if so the list you proposed won't do well in a tournament, however it doesn't matter as the OP never said he was going to tournaments anyway. I guess from your spelling and posts you're young?

 

[jaws900]

Oh, I have no idea sometimes what you're typing - do you mean proxy and tournament, if so the list you proposed won't do well in a tournament, however it doesn't matter as the OP never said he was going to tournaments anyway. I guess from your spelling and posts you're young?

I'm 20(nearly 21) and i have Aspergess syndrome which is a mental illness that interfera with my social reaction with other people as well as my english. That is why my spellign is way of alot of the time and evne prof reading will still allow alot of mistakes so i can't help my spellign to much.
I wasn't saying that he was going to a Tournament. I was just saying that you can't use Proksy modals in them(within reason such as a terviogn not have a current modal etc).
I mistook what you said about the fire pike and assumed you ment the "Whole" range and not the melta range. However that extra range does come in handy. I played a game today where if i did take an Exarch(which i had to drop unfortunatly) i would have been able to destroy a Land raider thatw as sitting on an objective. Becuase of that it was a draw. For 8pts(20pts in toal for the guy and weapon) it's worth it just for the "What if" scenrio which you at some point say in any game with any unit "If only i have taken this upgrade" and for 8pt it's realtivly inexpensive unlike soemthing like Vecroid Engines etc.

I gave him a list bace don what he has. Yes he did say he wante dto Mech up in a LATER post after i had posted my one. However it was unclear at the time what he wanted for his list so i made a 1500pts using what he had. sure this lsit WILL change and he doesn't have to us ethe list but it means that he's got a workable list to get into using eldar straight from the word go rahter than having to pay out for over £100 to get the tanks etc that is sugegsted. I would never encourage people to get the "Perfect army" when opnly just startign the force and would isntead to work there way upto that point, but that and argument for another topic.

 

[Grinnsira]

I feel the love. I hope the lists helped you Fallen. Happy hunting

 

[mercer]

I'm 20(nearly 21) and i have Aspergess syndrome which is a mental illness that interfera with my social reaction with other people as well as my english. That is why my spellign is way of alot of the time and evne prof reading will still allow alot of mistakes so i can't help my spellign to much.
I wasn't saying that he was going to a Tournament. I was just saying that you can't use Proksy modals in them(within reason such as a terviogn not have a current modal etc).
I mistook what you said about the fire pike and assumed you ment the "Whole" range and not the melta range. However that extra range does come in handy. I played a game today where if i did take an Exarch(which i had to drop unfortunatly) i would have been able to destroy a Land raider thatw as sitting on an objective. Becuase of that it was a draw. For 8pts(20pts in toal for the guy and weapon) it's worth it just for the "What if" scenrio which you at some point say in any game with any unit "If only i have taken this upgrade" and for 8pt it's realtivly inexpensive unlike soemthing like Vecroid Engines etc.

I gave him a list bace don what he has. Yes he did say he wante dto Mech up in a LATER post after i had posted my one. However it was unclear at the time what he wanted for his list so i made a 1500pts using what he had. sure this lsit WILL change and he doesn't have to us ethe list but it means that he's got a workable list to get into using eldar straight from the word go rahter than having to pay out for over £100 to get the tanks etc that is sugegsted. I would never encourage people to get the "Perfect army" when opnly just startign the force and would isntead to work there way upto that point, but that and argument for another topic.

Ah, I thought you was young.

I know you cannot proxy models in a tournament, I don't see the point in you making that comment.

My point is that the exarch is the only one to fire so you have a entire unit of fire dragons vulnerable just to get one model to fire, kind of getting more risk out of benefit. A single multi melta would have to be very lucky to destroy a land raider, you need a 6+ to glance and then a 6+ to penetrate which would mean it's wrecked, that's not great chances so I wouldn't even bother doing that, especially when your dragons can get mowed down next turn.

You should encourage to create a best army available. If they go out and buy crap unit and not spend "£100 on tanks" then that's £100 wasted on crap which could have been used on tanks. I've made a decent eldar army when I started playing them and it's only changed a few units in it, it's costed me a lot less money say if I brought loads of crap units only to get more units. You see my point?