Mephiston possessed?

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Khorne's Fist

Discussion Starter · Jun 11, 2010

I was flicking through the BA codex today, and noticed the last paragraph of Mephiston's entry, mentioning rumours about his black rage being replaced by something darker. Only Mephiston knows, and in time will reveal all.

So, could the something darker be a pact with the chaos powers? There's not much darker than that.

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Serpion5

· #21 · Jun 18, 2010

gothik said:
look foward to seeing it mephiston materilises traits of horus lol the imperium is doomed

DANTE: "Hey, uh, Mephiston? I`ve been meaning to ask you... You`ve gotten pretty tall these past few weeks, and I`ve noticed that you seem to be praying an awful lot lately. Is there something on your mind?"

(Mephiston turns around)

DANTE: "...So, uh, where`d you get that nifty lightning claw from?"

normtheunsavoury

· #22 · Jun 18, 2010

Thats an interesting theory but I was thinking more along the lines of seeing what really happened during Sanguinius's last battle with Horus.
There has already been some speculation on other threads about what really happened when the Emperor faced Horus, how seeing Sanguinius dead didn't seem to bother him but seeing a custodes getting all toasty pushed him over the edge.
It's always been my guess that it wasn't Horus that killed Sanguinius, it was the Emperor.
Sanguinius and Horus were very close before the Heresy, what if, during their last confrontation, Horus manged to talk him round and turn him against the Emperor?

Horus is distracted by the Custodes and the Emperor kills Sanguinius, Horus is distraught at the loss of his closest brother and loses control, the Emperor uses this to finish him off as well.

If Mephiston has seen this as a result of falling to the black rage and has come out of the other side then that would put the future of the whole Chapter in jeopardy. Maybe he sees the need to fight for the preservation of humanity but knows that the Empire is built on lies. That the God Emperor is nothing more than a sham.

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Barnster

· #23 · Jun 18, 2010

I know this is a long shot, but,....

If you look at the final battle picture from CVs, Sanguinius was killed by a sword blow/ thrust. Horus had a lightning claw/ talon and a power maul. The Big E had a power sword....

Only the emperor knows...

gothik

· #24 · Jun 18, 2010

i never thought of it like that and then if you think that Mephiston is aware of the Emperors great betrayal yeah that really would put the preverbial blood amongst the angels. then again lets face it, the Emperor betrayed Magnus by sending the wolves in (probably jealous that magnus was getting more powerful imho) and he sent an assassin after Curze so that might fit.
And Serpion i like it lol

Tuck3r

· #25 · Jun 18, 2010

ooh yeah thats interesting. but would they become chaos pawns or would they follow something along the lines of the soul drinkers. defending humanity from both chaos and the imperium

normtheunsavoury

· #26 · Jun 18, 2010

Well it would seem that the Knights of Blood are already doing just that, maybe thats the way things are going?

Tuck3r

· #27 · Jun 18, 2010

it would seem that way... hmm. notice its always the psykers that lead in that direction...

gothik

· #28 · Jun 19, 2010

sometimes it seems the pskers know best and who better then the lord of death himself

Barnster

· #29 · Jun 19, 2010

Psykers always know best that why the thousand sons got into so much trouble, sometimes you just have to accept that we DO know best

gothik

· #30 · Jun 19, 2010

no wonder the rotting corpse wants to eat thier souls for all thier power....hmmm

Tuck3r

· #31 · Jun 19, 2010

HaHaHa yeah.

gothik

· #32 · Jun 21, 2010

well if the emeperor did kill one of the most noble Primarchs imagine the uproar amongst the others who had sided with the emperor, i mean as far as i know the angel saw the best in everyone no matter what and he was popular...somehow i think that the powers that be could not allow the truth to be told so it was easier to blame Horus as he was already mad in thier eyes and the crime of the father covered up "Its ok we'll say Horus did it that will keep the Blood Angels in line" no wonder Mephiston seems a little distracted of late,.

forkmaster

· #33 · Jun 21, 2010 (Edited)

normtheunsavoury said:
Thats an interesting theory but I was thinking more along the lines of seeing what really happened during Sanguinius's last battle with Horus.
There has already been some speculation on other threads about what really happened when the Emperor faced Horus, how seeing Sanguinius dead didn't seem to bother him but seeing a custodes getting all toasty pushed him over the edge.
It's always been my guess that it wasn't Horus that killed Sanguinius, it was the Emperor.
Sanguinius and Horus were very close before the Heresy, what if, during their last confrontation, Horus manged to talk him round and turn him against the Emperor?

Horus is distracted by the Custodes and the Emperor kills Sanguinius, Horus is distraught at the loss of his closest brother and loses control, the Emperor uses this to finish him off as well.

If Mephiston has seen this as a result of falling to the black rage and has come out of the other side then that would put the future of the whole Chapter in jeopardy. Maybe he sees the need to fight for the preservation of humanity but knows that the Empire is built on lies. That the God Emperor is nothing more than a sham.

I would have to disagree! After reading the Lost and the damned section about the Emperor, it might be old but so far one of the few sources about the end of the Heresy. Its shows clearly Emp and Sang were separated in the teleporter by reasons unknown. Either malfunctioning in the teleporter or Horus did something. However after fighting hordes of daemons, he finds the dead BA-primarch at Horus feet.

Even though he doesnt show great emotions about (lets face, when was the last time Emp cried?) but it doesnt mean he didnt care about his sons, Horus the most for starters.

Barnster said:
I know this is a long shot, but,....

If you look at the final battle picture from CVs, Sanguinius was killed by a sword blow/ thrust. Horus had a lightning claw/ talon and a power maul. The Big E had a power sword....

Only the emperor knows...

Thats a subject that has been up for specualtion before. I think it might just be an error by the artist.

Barnster

· #34 · Jun 21, 2010

Thats the canocal expalination of the battle in throne room, but no one was there to witness prove or deny that. Remember the emp doesn't get upset when he "finds" a dead sanguinius but goes loko when horus kills a custodes.

Maybe the truth is far darker though.

Raptor_00

· #35 · Jun 22, 2010

forkmaster said:
Thats a subject that has been up for specualtion before. I think it might just be an error by the artist.

Was it an error, or was the artist trying to tell us something...that he's part of a secret organization that knows the truth and has been hiding it from the masses until the time is right to reveal the truth...or did the picture just look more "kick ass" that way...we'll never know.

I'm all for a good conspiracy though. Maybe Sang didn't want the Emperor to kill Horus and stepped between them, the Emperor couldn't stay his hand in time and killed his son.
Maybe, is Sang did go all vamp on Horus he realized the power of chaos and was turned, the Emperor then killed him and was to upset because he was controlling the taint of chaos from spreading.

Hopefully, if the Horus Heresy novels start pushing the storyline a little further we can get to that point and find out.

gen.ahab

· #36 · Jun 22, 2010

Correct me if I am wrong but don't the death guard have visions of tweetys' death at the hands of HORUS? If the emperor killed him it would be a bit odd wouldnt it?

normtheunsavoury

· #37 · Jun 22, 2010

gen.ahab said:
Correct me if I am wrong but don't the death guard have visions of tweetys' death at the hands of HORUS? If the emperor killed him it would be a bit odd wouldnt it?

I'm assuming you mean Death Company and not the icky Nurgle types?
It's hard to know exactly what goes on when a Marine falls to the black Rage. My theory was just speculation based on other 'conspiracy' theories.
What if Mephiston has seen something that he probably wishes he hadn't?

Of course there could be other answers, maybe he is possessed, maybe Sanguinius was too sorely tested and did turn to Chaos. Maybe, he was forced to go by the Emperor despite forseeing his own death.

gen.ahab

· #38 · Jun 22, 2010

Yeah I meant death comp.

DonFer

· #39 · Jun 22, 2010 (Edited)

I don't think The Emperor killed Saguinus. It is clear that that part of the fluff is cannon and will not change since they publish it everywhere, even products not meant for hardcore fans like ourselves (i.e. Horus Heresy BG).

Also I seem to remember (not sure where I read this), that Sanguinus was able to see the future and in that he predicted his own death. So teleporting to the Bridge where Horus was, could certainly had been his plan to face the death he foresaw. So if there is a mistery in this whole mess, I reckon it should be what Sanguinus saw to be his death and what happened before the arrival of the Emperor. Moreover, I reckon that the Emperor was aware of this and saw it as inevitable and maybe even necessary.

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