[Khorne's Fist]

Not their best work by a long way. The poses look awkward, and the proportions are off. Might make a nice one-off squad in your army. Or you could buy a squad of DKoK.

MaxMini.

 

[Orochi]

Agree with the criticisms. However, if this is the first attempt of someone trying out something new - then said sculptor will do fine. The details of the models, guns and masks especially, are really good!

 

[otasolgryn]

i agree that the poses are somewhat... odd.

but the entire coat, gun , mask thing going on are really cool.

Hope they make more of the faction, with a little more natural poses.

What is DKoK, btw?

 

[otasolgryn]

i agree that the poses are somewhat... odd.

but the entire coat, gun , mask thing going on are really cool.

Hope they make more of the faction, with a little more natural poses.

What is DKoK, btw?

 

[ntaw]

^ Death Korps of Krieg.

 

[Loli]

i agree that the poses are somewhat... odd.

but the entire coat, gun , mask thing going on are really cool.

Hope they make more of the faction, with a little more natural poses.

What is DKoK, btw?

Death Korps of Krieg, it's a FW Imperial Guard army.

 

[otasolgryn]

ahh right.

yes they are enormously cool too

 

[Kreuger]

Am I the only one who finds this whole style a little strange?
Where GW or 3rd parties make obviously Nazi inspired models, and everyone sort of treats them with kid gloves.

It seems like there's since weird double standard where gamers treat it as "ok" if you play a Nazi inspired army but don't paint them as Nazis. But if somebody paints them add Nazis then they freak/get uncomfortable.

I'm not advocating for these armies. I think it's in poor taste to have Nazi inspired armies at all.

 

[Khorne's Fist]

Am I the only one who finds this whole style a little strange?
Where GW or 3rd parties make obviously Nazi inspired models, and everyone sort of treats them with kid gloves.

They're not Nazi inspired. Like the DkoK, they are based on WWI era Germans, not WWII.

 

[Haskanael]

I'm not advocating for these armies. I think it's in poor taste to have Nazi inspired armies at all.

so how about Roman inspired armies, and don't forget templar/crusader themed armies. there are plenty of army styles and themes around, of which the original uniform/style is linked to atrocities and shamefull parts of history.

I don't quite understand your reasoning. but to each their own tastes

 

[Kreuger]

Hmm. I always read DKoK and others, in this case NeoReich troopers as a reference to Nazi Germany not the German troops of WWI. (I don't mind being wrong though)

If one is playing a WWII game it makes sense that one side is the axis. I'm not really commenting on that.

What I'm commenting on is my perception that Nazi inspired troops in other games (non-WWII) seem permissible as long as we all pretend that aren't Nazi inspired. But, again in my experience, as soon as a player either makes their army overtly "Nazi" (e.g. painting swastikas on them) or somebody else suggests/accuses it then it's a matter for condemnation.
@Haskanael There's also a difference of several millennia between the atrocities of Rome and those of the mid 20th century. And that distance changes how sensitive people are about it.

They're not Nazi inspired. Like the DkoK, they are based on WWI era Germans, not WWII.

Doesn't naming them Neoreich troopers suggest they are WWII and not WWI?

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Does that make sense?

 

[Haskanael]

What I'm commenting on is my perception that Nazi inspired troops in other games (non-WWII) seem permissible as long as we all pretend that aren't Nazi inspired. But, again in my experience, as soon as a player either makes their army overtly "Nazi" (e.g. painting swastikas on them) or somebody else suggests/accuses it then it's a matter for condemnation.

to be fair there is a fairly huge difference in uniform inspiration, and literally copying nazi's into an army for a wargame thats not WWII related.

@Haskanael There's also a difference of several millennia between the atrocities of Rome and those of the mid 20th century. And that distance changes how sensitive people are about it.

be that as it may they are all still equal atrocities, suggesting anything else is ridiculous. I can sorta see the point I just think that it is ridiculous to be more upset about something that happened ages ago compared to something bad that happened more ages ago. the only exception I make on that is if you where actually living it. like my grandparents.

Doesn't naming them Neoreich troopers suggest they are WWII and not WWI?

in WWII germany was working on its third reich. there was a first and second Reich before that. so no not necessarily.

in the end its all about how well people know their history.

 

[Khorne's Fist]

Doesn't naming them Neoreich troopers suggest they are WWII and not WWI?

The name might, but the minis are definitely WWI inspired. Just google images of German troops in either war and it'll be pretty obvious which era inspired them.

 

[Kreuger]

to be fair there is a fairly huge difference in uniform inspiration, and literally copying nazi's into an army for a wargame thats not WWII related.

be that as it may they are all still equal atrocities, suggesting anything else is ridiculous. I can sorta see the point I just think that it is ridiculous to be more upset about something that happened ages ago compared to something bad that happened more ages ago. the only exception I make on that is if you where actually living it. like my grandparents.

Ironically, I would say the exact same thing and mean the exact opposite thing. I would expect the strength of the emotional response people have to atrocity would depend very heavily on how close, perceptible, or tangible it was. Feeling strongly for victims of an atrocity of which we only have ancient accounts seems less likely to me than those for which we have relatives who endured it, photographs of it, or well preserved first hand accounts. So growing up I had my grandparent's stories of fighting in the Pacific against the Empire of Japan.

in WWII germany was working on its third reich. there was a first and second Reich before that. so no not necessarily.

in the end its all about how well people know their history.

Fair point. Reich meaning "empire" is more transferable than I recalled. I also wasn't remembering my history correctly. I double checked before posting. I incorrectly recalled the propaganda of the 3rd reich claiming the first 1)reich was Rome, 2)then the Holy Roman Empire, then 3)nazi Germany. In reality it was 1)Holy Roman Empire, 2)Germany under Bismarck, and 3)nazi Germany.

So having a new "German Empire" isn't necessarily indicative of Neo Nazism. I would still contend that the "Neo" appellation in the context is suggestive.

The name might, but the minis are definitely WWI inspired. Just google images of German troops in either war and it'll be pretty obvious which era inspired them.

Oddly, I assumed the same thing when I made my initial comments. But Google image searching "WWI German infantry" and "WWII German infantry" the results are remarkably homogeneous. The uniform tunics seem very similar. I'm sure I'm missing details a more ardent history buff wouldn't. And obviously, there were more gas masks in WWI. Though the greatcoats look very similar between the trenches and the winter campaigns of WWII. And no "Kaiser" spikes, but I know they weren't ubiquitous.