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Look, I know IG have a crap load of Super Heavies in the armarda but is there any mention of Marines having a Super Heavy Tank, or anyting Super Heavy other than Titans, in the 40k Fluff. O know they have Land Raiders but I would not class that as a Super Heavy Tank.
 

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Astartes Chapters act as rapid relief/spearhead forces not attrition forces. They have no need or time to maintain super-heavies. And by edicts of the Codex, I wouldn't be suprised if they weren't allowed to maintain any anyway.
 

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They just requisition the Guard super-heavies if they need them. Letting a Marine Chapter keep such things would make them too powerful in the scheme of things, I think.
 

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Original Founding Legions had access to Fellblades. Essentially, a Baneblade crewed by Space Marines in game terms. But they are so much more. Like the Land Raider is not just a battle tank (due to the Machine Spirit, autonomous slave systems, and superior construction etc), so is the Fellblade to the Baneblade.

I believe the Marines lost either the rights to their use following the setting out of the Codex Astartes by Guilleman, or they no longer had the need to use it, following their new role.

However, certain "Legion" chapters may make use of them - Dark Angels (Deathwing), Space Wolves (Relic Vehicle), Ultramarines (because Games Workshop bangs one out when a Blue Marine is seen), Salamanders (high quality equipment), Iron Hands (ultimate armour), and Imperial Fists (siege works) may make occasional use of them.

Other forces (Raven Guard, Blood Angels and White Scar's) have an ethos or outlook that generally doesn't accompany their use.

However, their may be a reason that a Chapter has access to the now Baneblade. For example, on Macragge (Ultramarines Homeworld), the PDF, or Guard Regiments formed their may see a Baneblade used, perhaps in the Ultra's colours, or as a thanks for delivering a Forge World to safety.



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I would just take the Space Marine Thunderhawk over any super heavy tank or titan anyday.

Besides only the Adeptus Mehanicus have the privilege to field titans and the Imperial Guard have those lumbering big tanks because the Astartes have no use for them.

No that's wrong they could have a use for them. I suppose I should have said that there is no great need for them.
 

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This has been played out spectacularly already: Space Marines + Baneblade Question

Generally arguments based on "codex says no" are ludicrous, particularly for SWs, IFs, and DAs who basically told the Smurfs to go fuck themselves. As for their use, while, IFs/IHs have siege doctrines, SHs would be usefull there, and other chapters would probably use them fo defensive purposes in their fortress-monasteries.
 

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This has been played out spectacularly already: Space Marines + Baneblade Question

Generally arguments based on "codex says no" are ludicrous, particularly for SWs, IFs, and DAs who basically told the Smurfs to go fuck themselves. As for their use, while, IFs/IHs have siege doctrines, SHs would be usefull there, and other chapters would probably use them fo defensive purposes in their fortress-monasteries.
Except of course the Imperial Fists are only bettered by the Ultramarines in adhering to the Codex...

The Iron Hands have their own Super Heavies in the form of their mobile fortresses on Medusa (don't know where you got the idea that IH are siege specialists though Raptor, probably the same place you read that the IF don't follow the Codex).
 

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Probably just mistaken the Iron Hands with the Iron Warriors. I have seen that happen way to often :(

Although the Imperial Fists and half of the loyal legions did refuse to adhere to the codex which almost resulted in another major conflict. In the end they still broke up the legions into separate chapters and were denied access to a great deal of warships, vehicles, titans and other Imperial forces. Indeed many of the chapters do not follow the codex to the letter; but they are still somewhat influenced by it in one way or another as they keep themselves in check. Even though sometimes chapters like the Space Wolves and Black Templars do tend to push the limits but they are of the first and second founding so they are given a little breathing room.

Still even with the privileges that such chapters have at their disposal realistically they really do not have any great need for a super heavy tank like those of the Imperial.

However their is someone I would like to point out that most 40k players tend to forget about and they are the Serf's. Every space marine player should know who the serf's are they are the loyal hereditary servants of the chapter. Space Marines can't manage all the tasks required to maintain a chapter which includes full operation of the fleet and the fortress. Serf's would be as well trained as the very best of the Imperial Guard and are a humble and vital part of the chapter.

In my opinion if there was any super heavy tank that was apart of a space marine force it would be one that was operated by the serf's.

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Cause I'm thinking or creating a massive Space Marine Super Heavy for my SW army, I plan to use both the Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer sets and Predators sets accompanied by the Whirlwind missile bateries, I also plan to make it twice as wide and twice as high.
 

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What about the Leviathan?

Thats a Marine super heavy, but theres only the epic model, and no 40k rules.

Technically the IG don't have access to titans either. They are still part of independant titan legions and are loaned out as and when needed
 

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It's an IG model, actually.

If you look at it in the real world, they are the Paras, the SAS, the SBS and the Royal Marines (technically, they are Storm Troopers, but the nearest analogy to the Space Marines are those). We don't use the Main Battle Tanks - we use Viking's, Land Rovers, and occasionally Warrior AFV's loaned from the Household Cavalry. Our role is not a pitched battle to bring the enemy down by superior firepower - we're snatch and grab, fast, long range detachments.



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if you want a marine super heavy you have the thunderhawk and thats it, the codex does not allow super heavies, and marines don't have a way of effectively transporting and using them (ignoring the stupid BS from previous threads of thunderhawks carrying baneblades in a net between two of them and idiots actually taking that seriously), and marines don't really have an effective way of fighting alongside them, marines are fast moving strike forces who get in and out and leave nothing behind, a baneblade or any superheavy is hardly described as "fast"

if however a marine force has a guard PDF then they would have super heavies, but again I really doubt they would use them themselves, they would be in the second line of attack supported by PDF forces, or in the first line of defense with PDF forces until marines arrive.

people who want things like baneblades in there marine forces are usually those who ignore the fluff or who stretch it so damn far they start to look like muppets who just want all the toys because they play marines.

don't take a land based superheavy, create something that instead actually fits the theme of space marines, or perhaps a slightly altered thunderhawk gunship, gluing 500 land raiders together and slapping on more guns than the USS Iowa ends up looking stupid all the time
 

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Thats the thing, I don't really want to be laying out the cash for a Thunder Hawk at the moment. I have to many things going on at home that need my urgent monitary assistance. But I will plan this out before I just go slapping on guns, I never make anything that doesn't look good. :p
 

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This contains SPOILERS of the Book: Fallen Angels


Ok, The book Fallen Angels during the Horus Heresy, describes 6 super siege weapons on the planet of Diamet (or somehting spelled like that) created for Horus by the Mechcianium. Which the Lion so expertly retook then gave to the Primarch of the Iron Warriors (right back into Horus's hands) to be used on the traitor legions at Issvatan V.

Hope this helps.

Also they are Space Marines they dont need heavy weapons beside titians and they only keep them around because they look cool.
 

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Beta-Those siege tanks from "Fallen Angels" were (if I'm wrong someone please tell me) as long as a titan is tall. But that was also during the Heresy where any legion could have whatever kit they desired.

The Marines also do not have titans either, the must requisition them from the Ad Mec. Heresy or 41st Millenium.

In any case Vali, get your Super Heavy Baneblade. It is a rocking model to build and to paint. Pick up some etched brass and paint the gunner in the colors of your chapter (to represent a serf. I did mine for a traitor IG regiment to go along with my Black Legion Army. :grin:
 

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@Spikey: Yeah, cause dorn was so thrilled when pappa smurf knocked on his door and gave him the reorganization packet. That's why he made the friggin 6,000 strong BTs, so he would be %100 codex. Dorn was known to oppose the codex, and chapters always consider their primarch first. If Dorns book said bring super heavies then I'm pretty sure they're gonna bring them.

@imntdead: No I meant IHs, not IWs. I know the difference. Not exactly siege doctrine, more like crons. Slow and unstoppable advance. And they're basically mechanicus with geneseed, both facts that mean them plus SHs makes sense.

@Vali: Oh you play SWs? Great. Then it's easy as hell. Anyone who says anything about Codex is a total moron, the wolves have no regard for the good ol' dex whatsoever. They probably have ceremonial burnings of it.
 

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Except of course the Black Templars weren't 6,000 strong when they were founded, nothing suggests that they were any bigger than the other 2nd Founding Chapters created.

If you actually bothered to look into the Imperial Fists background then you'd know that according to the Imperial Fists Index Astartes article they adhere so strongly to the Codex that only the Ultramarines adhere to it more zealously.
Dorn opposed the break up of the Legions initially but after he accepted the necessity of the change he went into isolation with the Imperial Fists Chapter and returned a firm supporter of Guilliman's plans.
 

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Guys I didn't say that the Space Marine chapters have Titans just that they "use" them as in request them for combat, just to clear that up and also I'm a huge fan of pre heresy Warhammer 40k not post so much it just seems to hypocritical and cruel to EVERYONE!!!! even space marines fear something - the inquistion - which in my opinon is stupid.

Baron Spikey: The Imperial FISTs are not the Black templar so they are two different chapters, and Dorn didn't correct the whole devote Codex thing until after the second founding.
 
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