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Ye i just added that if you look at orks they can teleport their whole armies from planets and ships. So i dont see how Elite forces of Adeptus Astrates cant do it.
 

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I read on warhammer wiki that because TDA is so strong that it can withstand high pressures of warp teleportation, so maybe normal PA is not strong enough to not crush under pressure? Now that raises a question why land raiders are not being teleported but dropshiped by a thunderhawk...
I don't think there's "high pressure" going on. It's basically a quick trip through the warp with a bubble of reality surrounding you. Regular humans can be teleported.

I'm guessing Land Raiders just eat too much juice to teleport. We've seen times where they've had to recharge the teleporters. Or there wasn't enough power to get a second wave.
 

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I don't think there's "high pressure" going on. It's basically a quick trip through the warp with a bubble of reality surrounding you. Regular humans can be teleported.

I'm guessing Land Raiders just eat too much juice to teleport. We've seen times where they've had to recharge the teleporters. Or there wasn't enough power to get a second wave.
Yet they have in the fluff several times.

The entire only speesh marines can teleport thing is a ward innovation. Which means it's to be ignored through and through.
 

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I can't recall a 40k story wherein vehicles are teleported, but I won't state for a fact that one doesn't exist. That having been said, I think if that was meant to be a valid concept, we'd have seen it done more. Why would vehicles not work? Well, if I had to guess, I'd say because it comes down to the teleporters using the Warp as the medium of travel... and thus a living being is key. So how do power armour and cybernetics make it through the trip? I suspect because of the fact that they are integrally linked to the wearer - via the Black Carapace, neural pathways, etc. In that sense, it's kind of a "back-door" to cheating and getting non-organic stuff accomplishing the process.

Yeah, yeah, I know this theory ignores the fact that spaceships are able to go through the Warp at will. I don't know, maybe there's special magic involved with the Warp drives and Geller fields that enables this.

Where non-Terminator individuals are concerned, though, I can cite a Ravenor novel and a Soul Drinkers novel are successfully teleported right off the top of my head.

The latter is not surprising: the Adeptus Mechanicus being able to teleport their warriors makes sense. The process is suitably arcane, though this might be precisely because it is being accomplished on a Mechanicus ship.

The former, though, is a revelation in that it depicts an unarmored, unaugmented human being teleported from the surface of a planet... and while in a very volatile situation: falling down a vent while a plasma flare erupts. In addition, the operator is able to discern individual bio-signals from orbit when trying to establish a lock-on.
 

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I won't state for a fact that one doesn't exist.
The closest thing I can put a finger on is that energy expenditure seems to be related to either the quantity of people sent or the mass of the objects sent.

Know no Fear mentions sending a kill team of 50 Space Marines (well, 49+Guilliman) is a "vast energy expenditure". The Ultramarines hope to send a second kill team if power lasts--and we're talking about the teleporters of the Ultramarine flagship! Those things are probably super charged and massive.

I'm guessing teleporting costs a butt-ton of energy. A marine probably weighs, with gear, somewhere around half a ton to maybe a ton. A single land raider weighs close to, what, 250 tons? If the teleporters of a Legion Flagship can only teleport 50 marines (granted not in the best of circumstances), perhaps a Land Raider is outside the scope of a normal vessel?

It may be a coincidence, but in Legion, the Alpha Legion teleport fifty of their number down to the surface to meet (take hostage?) the Cabal.
 

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Hailene, that sounds like solid theory. Consider yourself the recipient of some reputation! :)

... EDIT: I say that right before the forum says I can't do give you rep. I'm sorry! :(
 

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Space marine power armor would definitely sink in water, they could probably swim, but they would be sinking at the same time. Fighting while on the bottom of the ocean would be funny to watch, but ya I'm sure with the right technology they could develop some sort of jet-pack like thing to help them fight under water.
 

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Actually according to historical sources, (look it up yourselves) Swimming in armour is possible. It's only for movies that you are dead if you fall in water while wearing armour.
 

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Actually according to historical sources, (look it up yourselves) Swimming in armour is possible. It's only for movies that you are dead if you fall in water while wearing armour.

Yeah it is possible but it's exhausting. It's like swimming in clothes that weighs 40lbs. Space Marine armor weighs near 1 ton or more.

Traditional Samurai swimming. :)33)
 

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So I guess a super soldier wearing power armour wouldn't have any problems then would they?
The problem is them floating. Wearing the power armor is like wearing a car and cars usually don't float, I know go-carts certainly as hell don't .. Metal tends to be less buoyant than other materials, i.e. wood, fat, air, etc
Try dropping a piece of metal and a piece of wood into water.

That being said I imagine plague marines would have a far easier time floating than a normal marine do to all the built up gas.

There's some old stories, don't remember if true, about people in heavy armor drowning.

A: One of the crusader kings drowned after finally finding water, he jumped into the ocean without taking his armor off and drowned before his soldiers could reach him.

B: Roman marines during the early years tended to have a extremely high mortality rate, compared to other marines, do to them wearing standard armor, till some CO came up with the brilliant idea of giving their marines a stripped down version.

EDIT: I would imagine a space marine could swim in scout armor like it was normal clothes, but that's been established.

EDIT2: Found Story A

On 10 June 1190, Emperor Frederick drowned in the Saleph river.[68] He had decided to walk his horse through the river instead of crossing the bridge that had been too crowded with troops. The current was too strong for the horse to handle, and his suit armour was too heavy for him to swim in: both were swept away and drowned. Some historians believe he may have had a heart attack that complicated matters. Some of Frederick's men put him in a barrel of vinegar to preserve his body.
 

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The problem is them floating. Wearing the power armor is like wearing a car and cars usually don't float, I know go-carts certainly as hell don't .. Metal tends to be less buoyant than other materials, i.e. wood, fat, air, etc
Try dropping a piece of metal and a piece of wood into water.

That being said I imagine plague marines would have a far easier time floating than a normal marine do to all the built up gas.

There's some old stories, don't remember if true, about people in heavy armor drowning.

A: One of the crusader kings drowned after finally finding water, he jumped into the ocean without taking his armor off and drowned before his soldiers could reach him.

B: Roman marines during the early years tended to have a extremely high mortality rate, compared to other marines, do to them wearing standard armor, till some CO came up with the brilliant idea of giving their marines a stripped down version.

EDIT: I would imagine a space marine could swim in scout armor like it was normal clothes, but that's been established.

EDIT2: Found Story A

On 10 June 1190, Emperor Frederick drowned in the Saleph river.[68] He had decided to walk his horse through the river instead of crossing the bridge that had been too crowded with troops. The current was too strong for the horse to handle, and his suit armour was too heavy for him to swim in: both were swept away and drowned. Some historians believe he may have had a heart attack that complicated matters. Some of Frederick's men put him in a barrel of vinegar to preserve his body.
I can tell you got that first part directly from age of empires.

The information from that period is sketchy we get stories like that without good details, anyone who took the time to practice would be able to compensate for the extra weight.

Space marines are wearing power assisted armour that acts as a second skin. They have the strength stamina so that they can swim.


I think the problem is that people are thinking of what would happen if you had a 50# block of steel tied to you. When it's shaped into armour it's different.
 

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Your half right I heard it first on AoE2 and found it on wikipedia.

Like I said the problem isn't them swimming it's them floating. It still weighs alot. You can swim all you like but if you can't stay above water you still are going to sink. Have you ever tried to swim in shoes, they aren't exactly the best things to kick with in water. Swimming isn't just about stamina and brute strength you can have both but if you can't displace enough water you won't go anywhere.

IF the marines had something that could help them float and they had modified their feet with flippers then maybe, actually I think someone said this earlier. SM aren't the best things to float, their armor is 'skin tight' so little to no excess air they are mostly muscle which isn't that buoyant.
 

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Space marine armour can surely remain functionnal underwater, and the bolter too (in Vulkan Lives for instance, some Salamanders fire on their ennemies while being underwater in some kind of sewer), but I don't think they're stupid enough to actually stay in water to fight a whole battle. They'd sink, and even if they could move around and shoot it would be painfully slow, and restricted to the bottom of the sea/lake/whatever. But their oxygen would be limited, and a single breach in the armour would be the end of them, or at least the end of their combat efficiency. Logically, some kind of equipement must have been produced to help them move around in water, but only in order to help them reach their target and not to have them fight the whole thing underwater.

OP talks about a battle during which space marines attack a Tau underwater base, but that doesn't mean that the whole battle was fought submerged. I think they were dropped on the Tau base, ready to blow their way in or scale the walls to find an entry point (and with magnetic boots, you don't really need to swim).
 
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