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Marek's Raiders Dark Elf WIP - Heresy Online Painting Challenge
Background / Overall goal:
The upcoming Heresy Painting Challenge is just the thing I've needed to focus my attention on getting my Druchii Army (currently over 3000 pts in boxes), assembled, painted and ready for the table. I've been playing 40K for about 2 years and have wanted to try Fantasy Battles for about a year. I've been buying models and taking the sprues out and looking at them but not really getting serious about getting the army put together up til now. I kept getting distracted with finishing my Tau army and Space Marine Brotherhood of Fire army.

The overall goal will be, over the twelve months of the challenge, to paint up a general Druchii army list of about 2000 points. I've built the list and I'll use this WIP log will chronicle how I go about getting the list built and painted according to the Painting Challenge and will document the first battle of the new army.

The generic list I will be working toward is as follows:

Hero(general):
  • Master with Hydra Blade, Dragonbane Gem, and Potion of Speed mounted at first on a Dark Steed and then later on a Manticore.
Core:
  • 20 Warriors with Spears, Lordling, Musican, and Standard Bearer.
  • 20 Warriors with Crossbows, Lordling, Musician, and STandard Bearer
  • 20 Corsairs with 2 weapons, Reaver, Musician, and Standard Bearer
  • 20 Corsairs with 2 weapons, Reaver, Musician, and Standard Bearer
  • 10 Dark Riders with spears, shield, Herald, Musician, and Standard Bearer
Special:
  • 10 Cold One Knights, with Dread Knight, Musician, and Standard Bearer
  • 2 Reaper Bold Throwers, with crew
I might take a side diversion during the Challenge if all is going well to paint up the odd single Hero/Lord/Sorceress model, just to break the monotony of painting Core troops, but the objective is to get the bulk of the models needed for the army painted. The special characters will come later or as a reward for getting the Core finished.

December 2010's Painting Goal (pre Challenge warm-up):
I tend to paint back ranks first when I am painting up a new unit. I prefer to "practice" on the back ranks so that any learning and mistakes that are made are in the back and not quite so obvious to the observer....so I'll start off with the first unit of:
  • Corsairs, Ranks 3-4, 10 models
A couple of comments first:
1. please bear with the pictures for now. I haven't quite figured out the best way to take them. They will get better as I learn how to get better shots.
2. For the sharp eyed DE player, you will notice that there are a lot of the old model Corsairs in the mix. I confess. I am cheap. I don't throw nuthin' away. In one sense, a Corsair is a Corsair, whether it is old school or new. I fully expect to mix all the models together into to units that will consist of mostly new models and some old.
3. They look dusty in the pictures. Some of that is lack of picture taking skill, the other is that they have been sitting on a shelf for about a year. Before I start painting I will wash them down and let them dry.
4. I daubed some paint on them when I first got them and right now they look terrible. Keep in mind that this WIP log starts with the beginning and shows how they develop. Hopefully by the end of December they will look quite a bit better.

Before:







Corsairs, Ranks 3-4, 10 models

Coming up - January 2011 Goal: The Challenge starts!
Continuing the development of the first Corsairs unit, January will complete the Corsairs unit by finishing:
  • Corsairs, Ranks 1-2, 7 models
  • Corsairs, Reaver, 1 model
  • Corsairs, Musician, 1 models
  • Corsairs, Standard Bearer, 1 model

Your comments are welcome although, at this point, wishes of luck and support would be most appreciated.

Thanks for looking and check back in December for updates.
 

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Thanks. I thought it was opening up in December. Oh well, I think I will still start in Dec. That will get the old Corsairs painted and done and I can work with the new models. Who knows what Santa might bring down the chimney.:grin:
I've edited my original post to reflect the actual start. Thanks for pointing out my error.
 

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Sounds like a good plan! Good luck with the army creation and the challenge!
 

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Marek's Dark Elf Raiders: Corsairs, Ranks 3 and 4 ... Conclusion

Marek's Dark Elf Raiders: Corsairs, Ranks 3 and 4 ... Conclusion
Final Thoughts on January's Challenge....
In retrospect, the Jan Challenge has been extremely helpful to my painting approach. Rather than being mostly random, keeping focused on "these 10 models" let me more fully experiment with shading and highlighting of the models. Previous to this, my focus was "get three colors on the model and get it on the table".

I am a lot happier with the models with some depth developed in the model. Now, if I can only grapple with and beat the painting of the eyes.... my hands always "twitch" just as I apply the white and it gets blobbed into the eyecavity. It makes my models look like a twisted poker just goosed them. One model I painted the eyes on 12 times and washed it out because it looked bad. I gave it up for a bit. I think I developed a bit of a block. I finally managed to get the faces painted but am still not happy with them....they look like faces that were painted on rather than simply a face on a person. I will have to keep working on it...practice, hopefully, will make perfect.

Since I had to take a pass on the challenge due to the winter storm that blew through Ohio and made the power go "phtttt" on Feb 1, 2011, I'll post pictures later this week when the power is back on and I can finish editing them. [Edit: Pictures posted below on 2/5/2011.]


On the horizon....

The February Challenge will be to tackle ranks 1 and 2 of this Corsairs unit to include the standard bearer, the Reaver(champion), musician, and the remaining models needed to complete the first two ranks. If there is time, I'd also like to paint one of my three Assassins or one of my Sorceresses.

Your comments and suggestions are extremely valuable to me, especially on the painting of faces/eyes. In January's Painting Challenge I spent more time on that than on anything else. Now, granted, I'd never really tried to paint faces before (my other armies, Tau and Space Marines, have complete helmets which cover their entire face) and found working faces to be at the very edge of what I am able do. I hope, with practice, I can get my faces to look more natural. Anyway, thanks for reading and thanks Humkt for creating and managing the Challenge.
 

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Since I had to take a pass on the challenge due to the winter storm that blew through Ohio and made the power go "phtttt" on Feb 1, 2011....
Sounds annoying in the extreme; my condolences.

Now, if I can only grapple with and beat the painting of the eyes.... my hands always "twitch" just as I apply the white and it gets blobbed into the eyecavity. It makes my models look like a twisted poker just goosed them....

...Your comments and suggestions are extremely valuable to me, especially on the painting of faces/eyes. In January's Painting Challenge I spent more time on that than on anything else. Now, granted, I'd never really tried to paint faces before... and found working faces to be at the very edge of what I am able do. I hope, with practice, I can get my faces to look more natural.
I encountered the same hurdle when I moved from Chaos Marines to Warriors of Chaos.

The thing that helped me the most was the realisation that - unless you are very very close - a shaded eye-socket and a painted eyeball with dark iris are almost indistinguishable, so try not white painting over the base skin tone on the eyes and just washing the sockets with a pink/brown/grey wash depending on your skin tone.

Once you can get some photographs up I am sure someone will be able to give you more targeted advice.
 

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It makes my models look like a twisted poker just goosed them.
:laugh: God that gave me a good laugh!

found working faces to be at the very edge of what I am able do. I hope, with practice, I can get my faces to look more natural.
That is really the key. But Dave has a very good point. Try experiementing with some other techniques and you may find that you have a good solution that doesn't involve painting the eyes white with an iris.
 

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Painting eyes -- Redux

Thanks, gents for the advice. I suppose that with light skinned models a wash with thinned brown ink or Devlan Mud or Ogryn Flesh would work itself into the cracks and shade them. With dark or grey skinned models just a darker shade or black.

With my Tau (blue skin) a very thin wash of black/purple, or Leviathan Blue, maybe?

The key would be using a very thin wash, yes?
 

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The key would be using a very thin wash, yes?
Yes a very thinned wash over several layers until you get it the way you want it to look. You don't want to apply too much pigment at once or it will just change the color of the skin tone instead of washing just the recesses.
 

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The Power is Back On and Here are January's Models

Well, finally got power back up and managed to download the pics and get them ready to be posted.

Here they are:








As always, for those of you who chose to read, your suggestions are welcome.

(Note: I still have some highlighting and detail work to finish as well as finish the bases. I'll take care of those little details in between painting sessions on February's Challenge.)
 

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My Photo "Studio"

By the way, I think I've figured out how to take pics. There was a thread in the Forums that helped me immensely, but now I can't find it.
Anyway, I didn't know about adjusting the White Balance and using the built in timer in order to adjust the light mix and to eliminate hand shake. Using some of the guidance in the thread I set up my temporary photo "studio" on my temporary workbench in the garage and, using some PVC stands I built to clamp work lights to in order to position them properly, I turned the workbench into a miniature photo studio.

It worked much better than what I used before.



Now I wish that I had bookmarked the thread so I could post a link.
 

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Apidude's February 2011 Painting Challenge Project Log

Marek's Dark Elf Raiders - Corsairs Ranks 1 and 2
Well, In January, I planned to document the first round of the Online Painting Challenge in this PLOG, but RL got in the way and I ended up doing all I could simply to get the challenge completed on time, let alone try to document it with text and pictures.

So, for February 2011, with renewed focus, I intend to document the painting of the 2nd Challenge - Ranks 1 and 2 of a 20 man Dark Elf Corsairs unit consisting of the Standard Bearer, the Reaver(champion), the Musician and the remaining 7 models for the first two ranks. Ranks 3 and 4, using "old school" metal models were painted in January 2011. (I've posted the pictures in the PLOG above.

Abbreviations
I may refer to paints used if I document this properly. If so here are the abbreviations I will be using.
  • VMC = Vallejo Model Color
  • VGC = Vallejo Game Color
  • CP = Citadel Paints
  • CFP = Citadel Foundation Paints

Introduction
For this segment of the Painting Challenge, I started off with 10 models primed black:





Let's see how this month goes....
 

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nice looking squad... + rep - keep up the good work..

One comment... their faces look a little bland... I think a wash + highlight would look really good - is that the detail work you were talking about?
 

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Finishing Touches

CLT40K:
Yep.
To do:
Faces: Wash and touchup highlights.
Armor: Highlighting.
Sea Dragon Cloak: wash and highlight to deepen the details
Weapons: A very thin red wash on all the blades. You can see on one Corsair that his sword has a red tone. I want that same tone on all weapons to a varying degree.
Bases: Touch up edges and add grass and odd details.

Thanks for looking and the rep.

It's gratifying for a newbie.
 

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Ranks 1 and 2 Corsair Unit 1 Painting Guide

Painting Marek's Dark Elf Raiders Corsairs:

Abbreviations:

VMC = Vallejo Model Color
VGC = Vallejo Game Color
CIT = Citadel Paints

Before and After:
Here are the pics of the Feb 2011 Painting Challenge models at the beginning of the month.
For this segment of the Painting Challenge, I started off with 10 models primed black:




....and here are the pics of the finished unit for the February 2011 challenge.
Rank 1 and Command:




Rank 2:



And here is the entire completed unit consisting of both January and February's models....
(it was a bit of a pain ranking up the old metal Corsair models with the new plastic ones.
They don't really fit well together.)





Painting Journal:
As I mentioned earlier in this Project Log I am a relative newcomer to miniature painting.
I've only been dabbling with it for about 18 months. As such, I am posting this long post
in the WIP Log because I want to record (so that I can repeat the sequences) how I
painted up my first unit of Corsairs. I have another full unit of 20 Corsairs with crossbows
that will need to be painted, as well as a 10 model unit of Corsairs armed with two weapons
that will get added to what I did this month in order to make a 30 model strong unit.
However, it will be some time before I return to Corsairs as March's Painting Challenge will
be to do a full unit of DE Spearmen. When I do pick up the Corsairs again, I will want to
replicate the paint sequence thoroughly so that all the models will tie together.

The numbering of the sequences below represents the order in which I applied the layer.

I greatly appreciate helpful comments. So far the painting advice I have received through
this forum has been transforming, helping me over some really rough spots and giving me
reasons to get better at painting. I'd like to thank all who review this in advance for your
critiques and suggestions.
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Priming was done with a black primer. I don't believe that I used Citadel primer for this batch.
It may have been P3 but I cannot remember....it was better than a year ago.

A. Armor:
  1. Black Red, (VMC# 70859)
  2. Scarlett Red (VMC# 72012)
  3. Highlight: Gory Red (VGC# 72011)
  4. Wash: Devlan Mud (CIT)
  5. Extreme Highlight: Blood Red(CIT)

B. Gloves:
  1. German Grey, (VMC#70995)
  2. Wash: Very thin wash made of Brown Ink(CIT), 1 drop, and "Magic Wash*, 6 or more drops"

*"Magic Wash": a mix of acrylic floor polish (1 part) and distilled water(3 parts) Note:
The magic wash does make the pigment collect and concentrate in low spots like magic,
but, like the Winds of Magic, it comes with a price....it tends to add a glossy finish when
it is used. If that is not what is desired, either use water and lose the concentration
effect or go back over the gloss with a matte varnish to kill the shine.

C. Hair:
Hair choice ended up being interesting. Most pictures I found of GW Dark Elves have them
with black or very dark gray hair. I wanted to be a bit different so I decided that Dark Elves,
as a species, are simply elves. Physically they are identical to their kindred, the High Elves.
It is only in their orientation that they are different. That being said, I looked at pictures
of High Elves and most images I found had either very light brown or blond hair....so I decided
that my DE Army would become very pale blond. After I decided this and told my son, he
told me about the D&D race of the Drow. Bingo! Except for the dark skin, that was what
I was looking for.

So here is how I got close to what I wanted:
  1. Bleached Bone(CIT) or Graveyard Earth(CIT)
  2. Wash: Thinned applications of either Citadel Gryphonia Sepia, Ogryn Flesh, Devlan
    Mud, or Badab Black - chosen randomly for individuality.
  3. Highlight: Bleached Bone or Ivory
Note: In retrospect, I probably should have thinned the highlight a bit more than I did....
when looking at it blown up the paint looks thick and kinda chunky.
[Note to self: Thinner paint and lighter touch.....]

D. Sea Dragon Cloak - Scales

  1. Dark Angles Green(CIT)
  2. Wash: Thraka Green(CIT)
  3. Shading wash: Thinned Brown Ink (CIT)

Note: Bony Spikes on some Cloaks
  1. Graveyard Earth(CIT)
  2. Graveyard Earth(CIT)/Bleached Bone(CIT), 1:1 mix
  3. Bleached Bone(CIT)


E. Sea Dragon Cloak - Leather

  1. Charred Brown (VGC# 72045)
  2. Charred Brown/Beasty Brown(VGC# 72043), 1:1 Mix
  3. Wash: Brown Ink(CIT)/Magic Wash* 1:6 Mix
  4. Highlight: Beasty Brown
F. Cloth:
  1. Trousers: German Grey, (VMC#70995)
  2. Tunic:
    • Royal Purple(VGC#72016)- 3 parts / Black(VGC#72051)- 3 parts / German Grey(VMC#70995)- 1 part
    • Highlight: Royal Purple (VGC#72016)
G. Sword - Blade
  1. Mix: Natural Steel(VMC#70864) x 6 parts / Black (VGC#72051) x 3 parts / Gunmetal Blue (VGC#72054) x 1 part
  2. Very thin wash of Vermillian Ink(VMC#70934), 1:10 mix Ink/distilled water
  3. Edging: Gunmetal Metal(VGC#72054)
  4. Extreme Edge: Mithril Silver(CIT)

H. Sword Hilt and other Gold Bits
  1. Tinny Tin (VGC#72060)
  2. Brassy Brass (VGC#72058)
  3. Wash: thinned Devlan Mud(CIT)
  4. Glorious Gold (VGC#72056)
  5. Wash: Gryphonia Sepia Ink(CIT)
  6. Extreme Highlights: Mithril Silver(CIT)

I. Skin / Faces:
This part was the most challenging and took the longest time. I was not happy with the
faces on my January Challenge models (Ok, so it was the first time I painted faces - my
40K Tau and Space Marines armies mostly have helmets with only the occasional face.)
I started with the faces on this unit long before I painted any thing else, I wanted them
done first before I moved on to the rest of the model. I worked a long, LONG time
trying to get the faces right. I am still not satisfied with what I ended with, but
they are better than last month so I think I have improved. Now to keep working
on my face painting skills on the next months challenge. Working with very small
faces inside helmets is a bit of a pain.

Anyway, here is what I did for the flesh parts:
  1. Base: Dark Flesh(CIT)
  2. Tallaran Flesh(CIT Foundation)
  3. Wash: Ogryn Flesh Ink(CIT)
  4. Highlights: Dwarf Flesh(CIT)
  5. Extreme Highlights: Elf Flesh(CIT)

On some models I did go back and give them an extremely thin blue wash to add
some cool color to the face and attempt to make it a bit more pallid than the warm
colors would indicate.

J. Eyes:
Well, I'll be honest. I don't seem to like painting eyes. My own eyes don't work
well enough to really see what is going on at the tip of my paint brush even with a
set of 3.5+ reading glasses on and, unless I REALLY concentrate, I tend to flinch a
tiny bit when applying the paint, smearing paint where it is not wanted. I learned to
hold my breath, brace the two hands together so that only the brush fingers were
moving and not to flinch when the paintbrush tip touched.

I started with the classic technique: paint the white eye then dot a pupil in the center.
I also tried the black smear then apply two touches of white on either side technique.
For me and my eyes and hands, I think I prefer the first approach...I only have to do
one dot not two. It seemed more successful as long as the hands were braced and
I didn't breath.
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On the Horizon.....what's coming in March 2011.....
Well, that is it for the February Challenge. Next month, I am going to go for a whole
20 model unit of Spearmen including command models. It is twice what is required but
since all the models will be basically the same, I should be able to get a bit of a production
line going. By the time I have reached model #20, model #1 should be dry and ready to
move onto the next step. I will still start with the models on the back rank so that I can
deal with problems and the learning curve on models that will be mostly hidden.

Here are the BEFORE pictures of March's Challenge:

Rank 1 with Command:


Rank 2:


Rank 3:


Rank 4:

 

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Update:
Well, All the shield simply popped off without breakage, so this may be easier than I had hoped.

The prime coat is quite a bit thicker than I would have applied so drybrushing the chainmail may be an issue. I'll try to post a few interim pics in a day or so.
 

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Nice work... I think you need a bit more black in the eyes though... they look a little scared :wink:
That is a new Aspect of the Winds of Magic .....they are casting the Evil Eye......one glance and Whammy you are petrified.....
 

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Marek's Dark Elf Raiders Spearmen, Unit 1:

Painting Marek's Dark Elf Raiders, Spearmen, Unit 1:

Here are the BEFORE pictures of March's Challenge, 20 Dark Elf Spearmen with Shields:


Rank 1 with Command:

Rank 2:

Rank 3:

Rank 4:



.....and here are the AFTER pics. C&C more than welcome.


Rank 1 with Command:


Rank 2:


Rank 3:


Rank 4:


Ranked Unit:






and here is a bit of work in progress... a start on one of the Sorceresses.





PAINTING JOURNAL:
The models were primed with a black primer. I am unsure as to what kind of primer it is. The coat applied was fairly heavy, heavier than I would have applied.... some detail definition was lost.

Key:
CIT = Citadel paints/washes
VMC = Vallejo Model Color
VGC = Vallejo Game Color


Faces/Skin:
1. Tallaran Flesh(CIT Foundation)
3. Wash: Ogryn Flesh Ink (CIT) / Skin Wash (VGC# 72093)
4. Highlights: Dwarf Flesh (CIT)
5. Extreme Highlights: Elf Flesh(CIT), very thin coat

Cloth: Shirt
1. German Grey, (VMC# 70995)

Cloth: Tunic/Scarf:
1. Royal Purple(VGC# 72016)- 3 parts / Black(VGC# 72051)- 2 parts
2. Royal Purple

Chainmail:
1. Drybrush Natural Steel (VMC# 70864), 3 parts/Black, 1 part /Bright Bronze (VGC# 72057), 1 part
2. Wash, Badab Black(CIT), Heavy
3. Drybrush Chainmail(CIT)
4. Wash: Badab Black(CIT), Light
5. Mithril Silver (CIT), Very light Drybrush, top to bottom

Armor:
1. Base: Black Red, (VMC# 70859)
2. 1st Highlight: Scarlett Red (VMC# 72012)
3. 2nd Highlight: Gory Red (VGC# 72011)
4. Wash: Devlan Mud (CIT)
5. Extreme Highlight: Brassy Brass (VGC# 72058)


Spear Blade:
1. Mix: Natural Steel(VMC# 70864)x6 parts / Black(VGC# 72051)x 3 parts / Gunmetal Blue (VGC# 70800) x 1 part
2. Very thin wash of Vermillian Ink(VMC#70934), 1:10 mix Ink/distilled water
3. Edging: Gunmetal Metal(VGC# 72054)
4. Extreme Edge: Mithril Silver(CIT)


Shield:
1a. Base: Royal Purple(VGC#72016)- 3 parts / Black(VGC#72051)- 2 parts
1b. Skull base: Tinny Tin(VGC# 72060)
1c. Back: German Grey, (VMC# 70995)
2a. Base Mid-tone: Royal Purple (VGC# 72016)
2b. Skull Mid-tone: Drybrush Bright Bronze (VGC# 72057)
3a. Royal Purple, 1 part/Liche Purple, 1 part
3b. Skull Highlight: Light Drybrush Glorious Gold (VGC# 72056)
4b. Skull Wash: Gryphonia Sepia Ink(CIT)
5b. Skull Extreme Highlight: Mithril Silver(VGC# 72052), very light drybrush at extreme edges, from top to bottom
6. Finish base shield with high gloss varnish.

Gold Bits:
1. Tinny Tin (VGC# 72060)
2. Brassy Brass (VGC# 72058)
3. Wash: thinned Devlan Mud(CIT)
4. Glorious Gold (VGC# 72056)
5. Wash: Gryphonia Sepia Ink(CIT)
6. Extreme Highlights: Mithril Silver(CIT)

Base:
1. German Med Brown, (VMC# 70826)
2. Model Railroad Train Ballast, Dark Brown
3. Static Grass spots

Thanks for looking. Any and all comments are welcome.... have fun.:grin



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