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You can find this message on the 2 websites:
http://www.maunsfeld-gaming.co.uk/
http://www.eye-of-the-storm.co.uk/

Maunsfeld Gaming, as well as this website, is now closed for the foreseeable future. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEND ON TUESDAY OR THURSDAY NIGHTS.

Any attendee who has outstanding pre-paid tickets for the gaming nights will be refunded in due course.

The wargaming venue at Matlock Mill, as well as its assets, are up for sale and we are hopeful in finding someone to take over the Mill as a wargaming venue and therefore be able to honour all outstanding events.

An official statement will be put forward by Maunsfeld Gaming's liquidators over the next few days.

I'm happy to see these scammers go out of business
 

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I was under the impression that Mealstrom declared insolvency last year. I remember getting an email from Simple miniatures about it, if maunsfeld gaming and eye of teh storm are part of the same franchise then this isn't really a surprise.
I think Eye of the storm was a separate entity for their physical store by the same guy, but Maunsfeld was a new business by people who worked there but not the guy who owned Maelstrom.

Or something like that, was never a fan of maelstrom, I only used them a couple of times, I ordered something and it was instock on the site but not physically and I had to wait weeks to a month.
 

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How were they scammers?
Maelstrom Games, Eye of the Storm, Maunsfeld and Mierce Miniatures are all owned by Robert Lane.

Last year Maelstrom got into financial trouble, Wayland Games offered to buy out Maelstrom and honour all outstanding orders Maelstrom had.

Robert Lane declined so Wayland Games bought the debt of £100,000 from the miniature supplier Maelstrom owed money to, they then demanded Maelstrom pay the debt within 30 days.

Robert Lane create 2 new companies and websites, Eye of the Storm and Maunsfeld. Their websites were initially copy pasted Maelstrom Websites, they had the exact same look.

He then moved all assets he could from Maelstrom to the other companies and had a huge sale to get rid of anything that Wayland could get money from during the liquidation. Having up to 80% off on the Bane Lords/Legions etc.

He did not however honour any outstanding orders that had been placed. He basically ended up in a situation where he had to take the money from new orders to pay for outstanding orders.

I ordered 2 Dark Vengeance boxes from Maelstrom and I never got them, I lost £105. From the number of people complaining on the different forums it seems ALLOT of people were affected. I have no idea of knowing but from the looks of things he took the money from hundreds of people and never sent them anything as once he moved all the money earned from those sales over to his other companies and liquidated Maelstrom he no longer had any obligation to honour those sales.

What he did could easiest be explained as this:
You went to Maelstrom, pre-ordered some miniatures and paid for them, the next week you go back to see if the minis have arrived. The exact same guy who took your money is behind the counter, he says the store is no longer Maelstrom, it is now Maunsfeld. You ask for the minis you paid for, he tells you you have no minis ordered with Maunsfeld. You tell him you paid him just the other week, he explains that your order was with Maelstrom and the store is now Maunsfeld so you have no miniatures ordered from them.
You demand the money back, he says since Maelstrom has been liquidated you will not get your money back as the company had none left. He then asks if you would like to buy some miniatures from Maunsfeld as it's a completely new store which offers the exact same services as Maelstrom did, even has the exact same looking website. You tell him to go fuck himself and leave the store.

This is what happened to hundreds of people, I have no way of knowing for sure but if the vocal minority is anything to go by there could have been tens of thousands of pounds scammed from people in this way.

Would Maelstrom have gone out of business if Wayland hadn't intervened? Who knows, Robert Lane was in a situation where he had to take new orders to pay for previous orders that had not yet been fulfilled. He owed over £100,000 to the miniature supplier, he claimed he was paying the debt off at £5,000 per week but this is untrue according to the supplier.

The supplier ended up in a bad way because it couldn't order in new miniatures because it had no money left to do so as it hadn't been paid from Maelstrom.

Wayland saw an opportunity to get rid of it's biggest competitor and first offered a way for Robert Lane to save face by taking over his business and honouring any outstanding order. Because Robert Lane is an asshole he instead decided to screw over as many people as he could, get as much money as he could out of Maelstrom and transfer the funds over to Eye of the Storm, Maunsfeld and Mierce Miniatures.

The funny thing about how Limited companies work is that everything he did is completely legal, questionable sure but still legal unless you can prove otherwise.

It does seem though that because of all the shit he did his credibility was justly ruined so the sales seems to have been low or something, enough to cause his 2 new companies to go out of business. He still owns Mierce Miniatures as well as some other companies. I will be happy the day Mierce Miniatures go out of business as well and bought up by someone else.

To sum it all up, Robert Lane is a fucking asshole...
Then again I'm fucking insane so what do I know :crazy:
 

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And they GW are a pack of thieves and villains!
 

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And they GW are a pack of thieves and villains!
The difference being that GW takes your money and laughs but they still give you your models whilst Robert Lane took your money, laughed and then spat you in the face. Before you had time to react he then smeared dog shit in your face and bent you over screaming "Squeal like a pig for me boy! SQUEAL!!".

Or something to that effect :crazy:

If you haven't noticed I really dont like Robert Lane, will be expecting a C&D from him any day now, I'm sure he will hire Romeos lawyers as they seem familiar with these types of lawsuits...
 

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whilst Robert Lane took your money, laughed and then spat you in the face. Before you had time to react he then smeared dog shit in your face and bent you over screaming "Squeal like a pig for me boy! SQUEAL!!".
sounds like he went to my school :grin:
 

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Now we can just give our money to Wayland....who will wait 2 weeks to refund you and tell you they don't have it in stock. But at least you get it back!
 

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Now we can just give our money to Wayland....who will wait 2 weeks to refund you and tell you they don't have it in stock. But at least you get it back!
If you're gonna bend me over like GW does at least have the same courtesy of giving me a reacharound... That way I at least get a little bit out of it... :crazy:
 

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Now we can just give our money to Wayland....who will wait 2 weeks to refund you and tell you they don't have it in stock. But at least you get it back!
crap, just realised i'm still waiting for a box of trolls and some black orcs I ordered in January from them
 

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I live in Mansfield.

I've been here for nearly 2 years and still haven't been...

Maybe the venue could be converted into a medieval themed brothel/strip joint. With hairy viking ladies shaking their flaps and hitting people. That'd be worth visiting.
 
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