Welcome to Emperor's Children! =)

I am going to start collecting a chaos army and want to focus it on lucius and the emperors children. I'v never really done a themed list or even played with chaos for that matter so any input is welcome, I don't own any models yet so everything and anything can be changed I want to have a list ready before I go out and buy the stuff.

HQ
.Lucius the Eternal - 160

This guy is fun and fluffy. If your army centers around him, then leave him be. If you do want more competitiveness sometime, grab a Daemon Princes w/Wings, MoS, Lash. Still fluffy for Emperor's Children and arguably the most competitive HQ choice in the game for his point cost and abilities.

Elites
.6 Terminators - 275
Icon of Slaanesh, Terminator champion
2 chainfists, 3 combi flamers, reaper autocannon

I'll be honest I don't use my Termies ever. I find them hard to use effectively and expensive. I would drop these for another squad of Noise Marines. If I were to use them I would replace the reaper with a pfist or heavy flamer and deepstrike them.

Troops
.8 Noise Marines - 255
Noise champion with doom siren and sonic blaster
Blastmaster, 6 sonic blasters

.8 Noise Marines - 255
Noise champion with doom siren and sonic blaster
Blastmaster, 6 sonic blasters

.8 Noise Marines - 255
Noise champion with doom siren and sonic blaster
Blastmaster, 6 sonic blasters

Nice. However I don't use both a Doom Siren and Blastmaster in the same squad. One is for sitting back in a gun line or on an objective and shooting all game. The other is for in your face close combat. I would personally make two of the squads dedicated to CC, so a champ with a power weapon & doom siren, all models with Sonic Blasters including the champ, in a rhino. I would make the other two squads dedicated to objective holding and fire support, so one Blastmaster and the rest with Sonic Blasters, rhino optional.

Heavy
.2 Obliterators

.2 Obliterators

Perfect! I always use two squads of these guys at 1500 points.

Total - 1500

I know theres a lack of transports but on the table I play on there isn't much need for them really. Let me know what you think. I would like to keep to the theme, I'm not too fussed about it being uber competitive but I would like to win a few games :biggrin:

One beautiful thing about Rhinos, apart from the obvious boost to mobility which is necessary, is mobile cover for a Daemon Prince, if you take one.

Anyways, nice looking list! Good luck with the new army =)

 

Thanks for the advice Zaden. I only put the terminators in there to fill the 275 points I had left but I will probably drop them for more noise marines.

 

You could get a slaanesh mark daemon prince with warptime and wings (or lash if you dont want to make many friends) instead of terminators - so much better imo, im a real fan of lucius but i didnt use him much (just painted xD), tell us how it goes if you try this list

 

I will get a daemon prince eventually for more competitive games but I want the list to be based around lucius as I like the fluff (and the model) for him. Just a quick question what do you get in the noise marine box, do you get enough sonic blasters for the whole squad?
I'll post an updated list later this evening. Thanks for the advice

 

No you get blastmaster, champion stuff and 2 blaster i think, which sux because bitz are rare and cost hell lot, but there is alot of space for converting. I see what you want to do here, terms can be good at meele too especialy with slaanesh mark, those first hits are priceless, but maybe you should put a PF or two into squad so that they wont be useless against hight toughness things (or are chainfists basicaly same, not using terms much, then its ok xD).

 

reviewed list

HQ
.Lucius the Eternal - 160

Troops
.8 Noise Marines - 305
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, metabombs and power weapon
7 sonic blasters
Rhino with daemonic possession

.8 Noise Marines - 305
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, meltabombs and power weapon
7 sonic blasters
Rhino with daemonic possession

.8 Noise Marines - 215
Blastmaster, 7 sonic blasters

.8 Noise Marines - 215
Blastmaster, 7 sonic blasters

Heavy
.2 Obliterators

.2 Obliterators

Total - 1500

The plan would be to put lucius in one of the doom siren squads and send both rhinos towards anything I want killing or tied up while the obliterators cover them with whichever weapon is best at the time, I gave the noise champions meltabombs because I don't want to leave them unable to detsroy any walkers that try to tie them up and slowly kill them off. The blastmaster squads would head for objectives and sit there shooting anything that comes within range.

Two quick questions though
.Wheres the best place to get sonic blasters from? I only use the bits and kits site and they don't have any
.Do noise marines get an extra attack in cc for having a bolt pistol and ccw as the sonic blaster replaces their bolter?

 

Yes marines get extra attack, as they have both bolter, pistol and ccw with them, and you only exchange bolter for blaster.

On the list - i hope 4 oblits and bunch of BM will be enough for mech/MC strong armies, your troops will often get to fight tanks or MC so i prefer taking PF with champions in those cases, especialy if they are the mobile get-into action units.

 

PF's would negate the high initiative of the noise marines and kind of take away from the fluff of having it focused on lucius. Would replacing daemonic possession for havoc launchers be a better choice so the rhinos have a bit of firepower after they've dropped off my troops?

 

Rhinos should be taken with zero upgrades. They are paper thin, so if someone decides to take them out that is wasted points. If you drop off your troops and the rhino is still standing, move it out of harms way. The problem is rhinos are easy kill points if you sit them in the open and fire their wussy weapons at stuff. I would just use them as transports and get them away from danger as soon as you can.

 

hey buddy i would drop the termys and ad some cannon fodder and add 2 more oblitorators cuz from the theme of it its lookin like u want to blow stuff up and if u dont have any more oblit models use a havoc sqd trust me they work wonders even if all u have is hvy bolters and missle launchers but i love the theme buddy

 

I was using PW before too coz of fluffiness, but then realised pf is so much more practical:S, but see how it works for you. Also i agree on rhinos using no upgrades.

 

I may just buy the bits to make a few noise champions with pf just in case I want them for more competitive games but I would rather stick to the fluff of lucius for most games

hey buddy i would drop the termys and ad some cannon fodder and add 2 more oblitorators cuz from the theme of it its lookin like u want to blow stuff up and if u dont have any more oblit models use a havoc sqd trust me they work wonders even if all u have is hvy bolters and missle launchers but i love the theme buddy

I'v already dropped the termies and put in an extra squad of noise marines. I may drop a few points of wargear so I can put in an extra squad of two oblits or would an 8 man noise marine squad with blastmaster be the better choice?

 

You can bits order packs with 5 sonic blasters & 1 blastmaster from GW.... you're going to need 5 of the kits for your list...

Personally - I'd recommend dropping your squads down to 6-man (1 per bits kit) as 6 was once upon a time Slaanesh's favoured number... just to get a bit extra fluffy...

Lately I've been running lucious with my army & I have to say, I like what I've seen - the armor of shrieking souls is awesome & nobody expects that doom siren....

I second what Zaden said - rhinos should be naked...

If you drop 2 men per squad, and the possession from the rhinos you could afford a 5-man chosen squad armed with power weapons, an IoS with their own rhino... that would mess people up... (note: I like to try new things each time I play & since I have about 200 pink marines running around my countertop I have plenty to experiment... I don't necessarily think that 33 pts per model for an inferior banshee is really worth it - but hey... I'll try it some day...)

 

I was wandering where I could get those bits, thanks. I may just drop the squads down to 6 so I can put another unit of either oblits or as you suggested a chosen squad. I would like a dedicated cc unit to put lucius in but chosen are a bit expensive as you pay for infiltrate and I wouldn't be able to use that if lucius was in the squad. I'll have a think and re-do the list tomorrow.

 

don't think of it as paying for infiltrate - think of it as paying for the ability to load out on great weapons - my current list has a squad of 6 chosen w/ 5 meltaguns & a PF... great for tank hunting or gunning down those devastators / reapers stuck behind enemy lines...

 

Imo if you want some more punch against wehicles/high armor save/toughness targets 2 oblits will work better for that than blastamster noises.

 

What unit would you recommend for lucius to go in? Would you just stick him in a unit of noise marines with a doom siren. Preferably I would like a dedicated cc unit that I can convert a bit so it looks like lucius' bodyguard of swordfighters (fits with fluff) I was thinking chosen with power weapons. Any suggestions

 

Chosen would be best if you're looking to have a lot of power weapons and such in the unit. The only problem is that if Lucius is in the unit, then they can't Outflank which is a little bit wasteful (since they pay for Infiltrate). It's not a big deal, though and should work just fine, especially if they have a Rhino.

However, I'd save that unit for bigger games.

 

Changed the list a bit to include a unit of chosen to accompany lucius. I know I kind of waste infltrate by doing this but I wanted a unit to go with lucius that was cc orientated and fitted with the theme, would this work well or should I just keep the extra unit of noise marines and put lucius in there? Also is daemonic possession worth it on the rhinos? I would have put it on all three but I ran out of points. As always let me know what you think.

HQ
.Lucius the Eternal - 160

Elites
.5 Chosen - 215
Icon of slaanesh, 4 power weapons, rhino

Troops
.8 Noise Marines - 305
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, metabombs and power weapon
7 sonic blasters, rhino with daemonic possession
.8 Noise Marines - 305
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, meltabombs and power weapon
7 sonic blasters, rhino with daemonic possession
.8 Noise Marines - 215
Blastmaster, 7 sonic blasters

Heavy
.2 Obliterators - 150
.2 Obliterators - 150

Total - 1500

 

Just thought I'd give this thread a kick as I'm gonna start buying the models soon and want a list ready. Thanks for your help.

 

New list. I'v decided to drop the chosen in favour of another unit of obliterators and dropped the squads down to 6 each. Plan would be to put lucius in with the power fist squad and send the rhinos towards enemy troops, sending lucius towards the enemies elite squads. The blastmaster squads would footslog towards objectives and sit there shooting away, the obliterators would first take out any enemy armour and then focus on destroying any remaining troops.
My main worries are - is there enough troops on the board? Should I keep one obliterator squad in reserve to deepstrike where I need them later in the game? Should I put Lucius with the power weapon squad or power fist squad? Any critisism is welcome and everything is subject to change as I don't have any of he models yet but I do want to stick to the fluff of Lucius and the Emperors Children.

HQ
.Lucius the Eternal - 160

Troops
.6 Noise Marines - 255
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, metabombs and power weapon
5 sonic blasters, rhino with daemonic possession

.6 Noise Marines - 265
Noise champion with doom siren, sonic blaster, meltabombs and power fist
5 sonic blasters, rhino with daemonic possession

.6 Noise Marines - 185
5 Sonic blasters, blastmaster

.6 Noise Marines - 185
5 Sonic blasters, blastmaster

Heavy
.2 Obliterators - 150
.2 Obliterators - 150
.2 Obliterators - 150

Total - 1500

 

well, since lucius has no way other than a krak grenade to defend himself from dreads etc, i'd put him in the pf-squad.



However, be wary of powerweapons and orks with choppas when youre sending in lucius (he wants to do as many armorsaves as possible.)



I've found lucius to be excellent in certain situations..
in a berzerker squad for example :biggrin:


Personally, i have found one, max two blastmasters to be enough in any list, thanks to the abundance of fearlessness and the weapons price.

 

I'd drop the sonic guns from the blastmaster groups and add 1 NM with sonic gun to each of the assault groups. dropping possession from the rhinos and the 6th marines from each of the blast master groups would give you another 80 points which could be spent on more noise marines in the assault groups.

 

Would it be acceptable in a tournament to have a unit of berzerkers painted like emperors children with different heads etc. So that they would be like emperors children assault squads.

 

ye man! i have World eater tsons and am planning to get some EC's and do them WE colours..might change a few heads see how it rolls..i just want the sonic blasters and I5!

 

Cool. Was just thinking that they would make a good retinue for lucius. Would that fit the fluff too coz I want my army to be based on the fluff of lucius and the emperors children