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Lijah fething Cuu!!!! (Spoilers for The Saint)

Just finished Guns of Tanith, can't believe he actually murdered Bragg!! I had a sneaking suspicion that despite the Blood Pact soldiers wearing tanith uniforms Cuu still probably did kill that women. But even so was still shocked at how brutally he killed Bragg in that firefight. I'm sure he will get whats coming to him eventually, and i hope its Larkin who gets him, just worried he's gonna kill more favourite Ghost characters...

No spoilers past Guns of Tanith for now though please :)
 

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Well of course he does get whats coming to him at some point, wouldn't be right if he didn't right?

But you know, there was a point to it all, Abnett doing what he did. He proved, with the 'simple' act of killing off Bragg, that none of the ghosts are immortal or protected by plot armour as some characters tend to be. That despite it all, these are still normal men and women that we are growing attached to, and that their losses are the most painful because he has done such a job in getting us, the readers, to like them.

This isn't like the Ultramarine novels where we follow Uriel Ventris as he overcomes the impossible and will live on to fight again. Not the Space Wolf series where we know that Ragnar Blackmane's destiny will take him far. These books, these characters, are the creation of Abnett who understands that he can make characters we all love or despise and that he can really make us gasp, or weep, or beam with joy, by making sure that not even some of the most major of characters are safe from being killed during the course of the story.


Going into the books from this point on, make no mistake that others may die, and the biggest question for you to ask is who it might be and will you see that death coming when it happens?


When I read Guns of Tanith, I had to ask someone else if that ending really meant what I thought it did. (This would be due to the fact that I read Guns of Tanith when it was the newest of the series, I did not have any others to go onto as people do now.)
 

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Its a shame that inevitably he gets whats coming to him. Cuu is my favourite character in Gaunt's Ghosts. Now that ive admitted that, let the hate of me begin.
 

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Oh no doubt, hes a character you love to hate, least i do anyway, reading Criid beat the shit out of him a minute ago was quite satisfying though, combined with Feygors offhand comment of "should he be bleeding like that?" "yes", gonna have to order the next omnibus, will have straight silver and sabbat martyr finished by the end of the weekend at this rate
 

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Enjoy them, I think you'll like one of the later books a lot.. and hate it a lot.. mwahahahahahahahahaha!. Oh I couldn't resist that evil laugh.
 

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Nah, he isn't that kind of character for everyone; I straight up hated him, no love involved. When he got what was coming to him, I wasn't happy about it, instead I had to put the book down and thing about who it cost the ghosts.

For me, the snake doesn't get whats coming to him soon enough; and what he did get was to good for him considered all that he did. Fucker got off lightly in my opinion.
 

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Nah, he isn't that kind of character for everyone; I straight up hated him, no love involved. When he got what was coming to him, I wasn't happy about it, instead I had to put the book down and thing about who it cost the ghosts.

For me, the snake doesn't get whats coming to him soon enough; and what he did get was to good for him considered all that he did. Fucker got off lightly in my opinion.
Im the opposite, I straight up love the guy. He's violent, amoral and psychopathic, my kind of character. I wish that what happens to him hadn't, and I know about it because I have a bad habit of reading things on the internet before I read the actual thing, though im making great strides with beating it.

Im at Honour Guard at the moment, and my favourite scene thus far is when Larkin and Cuu go shooting in the woods. Cuu's meltdown was awesome, and Larkin's reaction.
 

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Nah, he isn't that kind of character for everyone; I straight up hated him, no love involved. When he got what was coming to him, I wasn't happy about it, instead I had to put the book down and thing about who it cost the ghosts.

For me, the snake doesn't get whats coming to him soon enough; and what he did get was to good for him considered all that he did. Fucker got off lightly in my opinion.
Gentlemen we are stepping too close to revealing plot points in future books when the OP specifically asked not to be told what is to occur in the books he hasn't read yet.
 

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Yeah well I am doing my best to keep what I say vague, as you have no idea when glory day is gonna come or which book its in. Plus, you have absolutely no idea what it is he got in the end, and assuming what that might be is a tad foolish. =D

Lord of the Night, edited out that one bit from your post because when combined with some of the other posts, it will serve to spoil things.
 

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I hated Cuu from the beginning, but when he killed my favorite character, I reached the point where no horrible death with horrible enough for him.

Seriously.
 

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Scratch that i hate Cuu. I genuniely thought Muril had killed him, but apparently not, and she was brutally murdered aswell. Onto Sabbat Martyr it is, where no doubt Lijah fething Cuu will kill again
 

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Cuu is a character that should be hated. The deaths of Bragg and Muril pissed me off. The fact that Gaunt was stupid enough to defend him in one of the novels disgusts me.



Please remember to use spoiler tags when including spoilers in the future please. - darkreever
 

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You never know though. there were major characters that I thought had plot armor that ended up being killed. Everyone besides Gaunt could potentially die and the series could go on.
 

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I agree JB, but the fact remains that until they die they are protected by plot armor.
 

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Right, for those who do not currently do it, when your going to post a spoiler please use the spoiler tags to do so. It makes it much easier for someone to read your post without the worry that they might run into you spoiling something for them when they don't want that.

To do this, simply type [ spoiler ] at the start of the spoiler and [ /spoiler ] at the end (remove the spaces between the brackets in order to make them work.) This hides that portion of text and replaces it with a button, that upon clicking reveals the spoiler as I have done in AK74Bob's previous post. (The first one, the second one contains a spoiler that may or may not ruin things for the OP.)

Now this next thing is indeed a spoiler, so unless you don't care or have read up through the entire series do not open it.



By the way AK74Bob, Gaunt defending Cuu was not in any way stupid. It was actually the right thing to do, and was needed in the end. At the time no one actually knew that he had done it, but if Gaunt had not done everything in his power to save him, to save on of the Verghast ghosts, then it would have sent the message that he holds them below the Tanith ghosts. It would create a rift in the regiment and lead to deaths that should have been avoided.

That the twist of the matter was Cuu actually being guilty, well that was the point. Gaunt acted for the greater good, and look what it cost the ghosts. It was a beautiful setup, and it led to such a monster causing those tragedies. However in the end it will be bigger than that, when everyone learns the truth think about who it would hit the hardest; and do not look for it to impact any one person either.
 

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My bad DR. On topic However, I've always agreed with Rawne's outlook on the add ons to the regiment. The Vergastite in the regiment ARE second class soldiers, until they prove themselves. The Vergs pollute the regiment from its original specialization. Even if Abnett tries to tell us that civilian militias are just as badass as trained warriors. I mean WTF had Cuu done that he deserved to be defended by Gaunt? He acts like a crazy psychotic a-hole. But because of the add-on Vergs, Cuu should be defended? Gaunt should have told Hark and Zweil to STFU. If the Vergs feel slighted they can take their excuses to the GEOM. Gaunt needs to remember that he is a commissar and that the IG is not some charity organization. Since when did 40K become a happy place?
 

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Yeah but thats the thing, they proved themselves defending their homes. At least they proved themselves as soldiers, or people who would fight given some cause to do so. At the time of Cuu being put on the chopping block, none of their number had been accepted into the sniper or scout cadre's. The Ghosts are essentially defined by those two, and to not have a single member in either of them though it is known that some should works only to hurt morale and alienate part of the regiment. The message it would have sent, had Gaunt not acted on Cuu's behalf, just like he would have any Tanith ghost (something I believe was specifically pointed out to him in the novel), it would have been the final stab in the back and broken them.


Remember, when most regiments start out, they are untrained shinies who have yet to prove their worth. Its all the harder for a group of soldiers to have to do this when they are being mixed in with a veteran regiment. Soldiers like Rawne are quick to forget that fact, but then in his case he is also an awesome, if not scary-effective commander. For those who have read the entire series, you know what I'm talking about.
 

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If the Vergs feel like Cuu is one of their own, what does that say about them? I mean wasn't he showing his psychotic nature before he was tried for murder/rape? I like how Hark told Gaunt that Caffran was not worth defending, but when Cuu was tried he's worth defending solely for regimental unity. HELL who cares if he is guilty or not, lets defend a crazy psycho who is very capable of such acts. Why not look for some fething evidence instead? Do they not have any form of investigative services in the IG, like NCIS? I'm pretty sure rape usually leaves evidence behind...
 
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