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Konrad Curze is the most powerful of all the primarchs, and has been labeled as the most dangerous of all the primarchs including Horus. Several characters in the lore have stated that Curze's destruction far eclipses anything, and everything Horus has done, even making Horus seem like a child.

In this thread I shall cite every feat of Konrad curze, and explain why it is to be praised as well as why it contributes to his superiority over every other primarch.

Mastery of psychology
1. Played with the Lion's mind for 16 weeks out of pure sadistic pleasure, fractured the Lion's composure and stressed him out beyond limitation. Curze mentally broke the Lion so bad by torturing him with mind games for 16 weeks in the dark, that the Lion truly believed that he was a English colonial era hunter that was hunting his "Quarry" an actual living rock.

- Unremembered Empire

Mastery of Tactics, and strategy
2. Curze utterly destroy the Dark Angels Legion single highhandedly, even though the Dark Angels had a living warp engine that allowed them to warp their entire legion unified to a single precise location. The Lion upon Reaching Ultramar stated that his entire legion was with him, and that he had a total of about 20k Dark Angels. Curze eradicated 80,000 dark angels during the Thramas crusade, seeing as at the beginning of the thramas crusade the Lion had the full strength of his 100k legion.

A. Curze only lost roughly 1/3 of his legion due to the lion's supposed ambush via living warp engine, however the lion lost 80k, so Curze's visions likely allowed him to see it in advance. This demonstrates how superior Curze was as a primarch, and as a general in warfare.

-Unremembered Empire
-Shadows of Treachery

Precognition
3. Curze had 24/7 active pre-cognition which played out constantly in his minds eye, this allowed him to see everything that would happen, could happen, and was happening (only vulkan appearing on ultramar was not seen).

A. Curze used this pre-cognition to actively count the bolter rounds mid air before they fired at him by dark angels astartes, he then knew exactly where each bolter round would land and promptly and effortlessly blocked each one with a shield or side stepped them.

-Unremembered Empire

Mastery of fighting prowess, superior fighting ability
4. Curze fought Guilliman and the Lion in a 2 versus 1 melee, Curze utterly stomped both primarchs into the ground. Curze suffered two wounds during the entire fight, the first was when Guilliman slashed Curze's abdomen with his gladius, the second was when the Lion cut his cheek open.

A. Contrastingly Curze stabbed the Lion through his neck with a full talon of his lightning claw, then Curze stabbed guilliman through the chest with 4 complete lightning claw talons. Both the Lion and Guilliman were increasingly losing as the fight went on, and if Curze had not detonated the building he would have killed them in melee.

B. The Lion and Guilliman only survived their encounter with Curze due to an ancient necron living warp beacon transporting them across the galaxy, which if it wouldn't have they both would have incinerated from the explosion.

-Unremembered Empire

Absolute invisibility
5. Curze is able to become completely, and absolutely invisible both physically as well as psychically. In Unremembered Empire Curze is able to become a living shadow that is undetectable by astartes helmets, eyes, and by a psyker. Grammaticus even states at the end of the novel that Curze is psych invisible whenever he wants to be, and that he cant be detected if he doesn't want to be detected.

-Unremembered Empire
-Dark King

Intangibility
6. Curze is able to become intangible whenever he wants, demonstrated throughout the unremembered empire Curze could transform instantly into smoke. Even in rooms where there is no darkness, no smoke, he was able to become smoke and reappear somewhere else in the room without being detected at hyper sonic speeds. He did this to the Lion as well as Guilliman during their fight multiple times, and he did to a plethora of astartes both in the light and darkness.

A. When inside the ultramarines fortress Curze was in the middle of a small room that was filled with 10 space wolves, it is stated that Curze instantly appeared in the middle of the room out of nowhere "as if he slipped out of a crack in the wall or a curtain". This is after it is stated that Curze is a massive, extremely tall menacing figure.

-Unremembered Empire

Telekinesis
7. Curze possesses telekinesis as he is able to at will make ceilings collapse, and lights explode.

-Unremembered Empire
-Dark King

Produce unpredictable darkness
9. Curze is able to produce darkness wherever he is, and this darkness is not normal as both astartes and psykers state that they are unable to pierce it with their enhanced vision, wargear, and or psychic senses.

-Unremembered Empire
-Dark King


Overall Curze possesses pre-cognition, telekinesis, teleportation, tangible invisibility, psychic invisibility, intangibility at will by turning into smoke, able to produce unnatural darkness that cannot be seen through, fighting ability that surpasses both the lion, and guilliman.

I will add more later.
 

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Vulcan can't die. He fell from orbit and still lived. That makes him the strongest.
Magnus once got a paper cut while looking through an ancient tome. That makes him the strongest.
Really, this isn't an argument that can be won.
 

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Vulcan can't die. He fell from orbit and still lived. That makes him the strongest.
Magnus once got a paper cut while looking through an ancient tome. That makes him the strongest.
Really, this isn't an argument that can be won.
Vulcan can die

 

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fuck it man, lorgar is the boss. he bitch slapped rowboat gulliman.
To be precise he first used a telekinetic push against Rowboat, then he swung his large mace with such speed that it shattered the sound barrier straight into Rowboat's head. The narration stated that Rowboat would bear that scar till the day he died, thus the swing was so powerful and psychically charged that it forever maimed Rowboat on a psychic level.

If you notice that after that battle Rowboat was never the same mentally, he was broken, paranoid, schizophrenic.
 

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To be precise he first used a telekinetic push against Rowboat, then he swung his large mace with such speed that it shattered the sound barrier straight into Rowboat's head. The narration stated that Rowboat would bear that scar till the day he died, thus the swing was so powerful and psychically charged that it forever maimed Rowboat on a psychic level.

If you notice that after that battle Rowboat was never the same mentally, he was broken, paranoid, schizophrenic.
im talking about the purging of monarchia.
 

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As good as Konrad is, he isnt the greatest of all the primarchs. In a way they were all created more-or-less equal with strengths and weakness's.

If he came down to him fighting each one of the other primarchs there are definately a few who would quite easily kill him:

Angron wouldn't care on how many wounds he'd take to get at Curze because as soon as he has Curze thats it he is dead, likely going to have his head removed.

Magnus the Red is second in psychic power only to the Emperor and I highly doubt that The Night Haunter is going to withstand the Crimson King simply crushing his mind and leaving him a dribbling mess.

Lion, Sanguinius, Fulgrim and The Khan are said to be the greatest swordsmen of all the primarchs. If we are looking at the Lion as the basis for all four then its quite obvious that the other three will be able to beat Curze as the Lion vs Curze record shows that its 1 Draw, 1 Win to the Lion and the third time Konrad ran away so the record is definately in the Lion's favour.

Sanguinius himself is perhaps one of only two primarchs who can evenly match Angron in a fight, the other being Horus so if Sanguinius and Horus can beat Angron then its obvious that they can beat Curze. Sanguinius also has the 'Sight' so it counter-acts Konrad's. Also Sanguinius can fly and as far as i know Shadows cant fly or be anything other than '2d'.

There are probably a few other Primarchs who can beat Curze such as Mortarion, Ferrus, Russ and Vulkan however they are mainly from savagery and being alot tougher than the Night Haunter. The reason that Dorn isnt in that list is because as we see in Dark King / The Lightning Tower (cant remember which one at the exact moment but i believe its the latter) Dorn himself is scared of what Curze can do.

We can debate how good or bad the Primarch of the Eighth Legion is all day however there is one piece of evidence that shows in the end he wasn't the best of all the primarchs and here is one:

Horus - Killed by the Emperor
Sanguinius - Killed by Horus
Ferrus - Killed by Fulgrim
Vulkan - Killed(?) by Curze
Alpharius - Killed by Papa-Smurf

Konrad Curze, the Night Haunter - Killed by an Assassian, who after all was just a human. Yes M'shen may of been an augemented and highly trained assassin but after all she was still HUMAN, not a near-immortal demi-god made from science and the warp.


As for what your saying about Moricharia, you clearly havent read the chapter which its in properly. Guilliman is on the floor for a matter of moments before he stands up again and tells him that the Custodes are going to accompany Lorgar and his Word Bearers. He was not unconscious for two weeks.
 

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*Wonders if a picture of a variety of adult toys with Nighthaunter's face on them would be inappropriate to post and a link so Lux can buy them and finally fulfill his obsession with the character. Decides it would be*

Have fun kids.

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I don't think I've ever come across anyone with such a hard-on for a fictional character, and that includes my teenage neighbours who were practically ramming themselves with copies of the Twilight books.
Papercuts..... :laugh:
 

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Konrad Curze in Unremembered Empire, a fitting addition for the respect thread of him.

 

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there are some awesome pictures of Curze around, i have seen more than one on the warhammer groups on Deviant Art, but Lux, to be fair Curze was a homicidal maniac in Primarch form. He was shaped by the world he was raised on and he became the master of fear, but there are other Primarchs who raise above him in every aspect. He was plagued by nightmares and waking visions of the future and his death, he was unstable and whilst he is one of my favourite Primarchs, i wouldnt go so far as to raise him above the likes of Horus or Sanguinius, Dorn or The Lion.
 
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