[Ezekial Lightning]

As many of you know i am now starting a chaos marine army. But, i know have a very bad thing come up. I will have an army themed to one of the chaos gods and i was looking at Khorne and i saw the juggernaught model and loved it. But now under the new rules it looks like the juggernaught isnt even as good as it should be. I love the model but i want to know whether it is worth it 2 field.

 

[Bishop120]

Yeah I think the Juggernaught is still worth its points.. extra attack, extra strength, and move as calvary if not joined to a unit. Still helps make a Khorne Lord into an even better killer.

 

[Galahad]

Bish, Juggies don't give you any move buff.

They move at a brisk walking pace. You only count as cav as far as transports are concerned.

 

[Bishop120]

Page 86 of the new Chaos Dex...

Juggernaut of Khorne

This demonic steed confers to the rider +1 Attack and +1 Strength. THe model cannot be carried in transports, exactly as if it was a Cavalry model.

Hurrrm....... is it just me or does this mean that it doesnt move as cavalry any more... Im with you that I thought it does but by this re-reading we may be wrong. But anyways.. it does still confer a buff even if its not a movement buff.

Edit: Ok my bad... I re-read what you posted and realized that I read what you said to be the opposite of what you said LOL... I thought you were saying that they had no buff and only had a movement buff... my bad!

 

[Galahad]

I was wondering what you were getting at at first ;-)

So yeah, much like the plaquin of nurgle, you're paying points for an assault buff, but you're giving up speed and transportability, which is a major suckage considering you need a way to get that extra strength and attack into play.

 

[Ezekial Lightning]

Ya ifit counted as cavalry i would for sure get it but asit doesnt i dont know i think thats really screwy hey wat does it say for juggers in the old dex?

 

[The Wraithlord]

A friend of mine uses one and it is still a worthy model to use. Aside from looking cool the fact that it gives you the extra attack and strength is worth it. Hits harder and is much harder to kill.

 

[Galahad]

Yeah, but you have to gently mosey across the board. Wings or a bike would be better choices, IMO. Assault based ICs need speed. All the attacks in the world don't mean a thing if you can't get into action

 

[Someguy]

Depends if he has a friendly slaanesh sorceror casting lash and feeding stuff to him. One for all you fluff fans. :grin:

I think a juggernaught is ok. An interesting thing is that, since it isn't cavalry, it does deploy in escalation games... I think.

A khorne based army will struggle without some elements that shoot hard and move fast. Berzerkers are extremely powerful on the charge but they will have a hard time getting there without some help, and the same goes for a lord on a juggernaught.

 

[Galahad]

At least the zerks can have a rhino

 

[Bishop120]

Yeah to bad you cant lash your own units to make them faster...

 

[Someguy]

Er, you don't need to. Plus you sort of can.

Let's say that I have a unit of zerkers 18" away (or further if you have double lash - but I guess then you don't have a juggernaught) from an enemy unit at the start of the turn. They move 6" towards the enemy and I lash the enemy unit to just within charge range (while ensuring that any nasty surprises like hidden power fists are well out of the way). I then charge my zerkers in, cut the enemy unit into little bits, and massacre forwards another D6". Maybe I stay locked in combat or get to consolidate into something, so my unit can't be shot.

So my unit has:

• Moved faster than it could have if it had jump packs or a transport
• Killed an enemy unit
• Maybe is hidden from return fire

The great thing is that, usually for assaulters, you get to pick where the close combat actually takes place. You can put the guys you are going to charge somewhere that it would be convenient to fight them. out of cover, near another of their units so you can get a consolidate, whatever.

 

[Bishop120]

Yeah I know how to use Lash.. Im just saying that its not always easy to make sure its close enough to the enemy but its easy to make sure its close to my own troops. If I could Lash my own troops out in the shooting phase so that they were closer during the assualt phase that would be truly awesomness. I know its illegal so dont worry I wouldnt cheat anyone with that without prior permission :gimmefive:

 

[Ezekial Lightning]

Well i still might just get the model just 2 paint but i have now just decided what my chaos theme is going to be,those of you with the codex look at pg.24 at the Skyrar's Dark Wolves chaos chapter example. I needed a cool lokking CC army and i found it.