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So you know the way you can get multiple spirit seer for a hq. Does that mean they can split up into different units like the seer council or are they forced to stay together. This came up in another thread and I wasent sure. It would make sense that they could split away but that never stopped gw before.
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Spirit Seers are not taken together. They are taken like Sanguinary Priests, or, in this case, more like Space Wolf HQs.
 

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Spirit Seers are not taken together. They are taken like Sanguinary Priests, or, in this case, more like Space Wolf HQs.
where does it say that? in the supplement it says there taken as a single HQ choice, rather than 1, so as there a single HQ dosent it make sense they have to stay together?

where as sang priests and wolf guard it actually says they can join other units, it dosent say that with spirtseerers
 

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I would infer it from the definitions of the characters; Warlocks, for instance, are only defined as Infantry, while the Spiritseers and Farseers are listed as Independant Characters. Their own unit definition says that the Warlocks get paired up, while Spirit Seers don't.

Now, I don't have the Supplement here with me at work, so I can't quote anything specific, but considering how they're designed, it almost feels like, if nothing else, it's RAI to be able to throw Spiritseers with squads of Guard.
 

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i would agree it is maybe RAI but RAW id say you cant split them up , all the supplenment says " shadow council- an iyanden army may take up to 5 spirtseerers as a single HQ choice , rather than 1" to me that sounds like there supposed to stay together as a single entity , and also there nothing to say they can be split up
 

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And again I'd say that while it does not say that you can split them up, that's because they normally don't act that way. A Spiritseer is never originally chosen as a group, and it's character type is an independent character. Warlocks are Infantry, and have a specific entry stating that they start as one group and get peeled off and put into other groups, which is their unit type.

I don't have BA in front of me... can you think of any Independent Character that is purchased as a squad? I know that you can put ICs together to make a super unit, but by definition they can be broken up and deployed however they want.

I'll leave it for wiser men than me to figure otu.
 

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i know your saying they dont normally work that way, but they are brought as a single HQ as a council if they were meant to be able to split off into different units the supplement would have said this but it dosent, units that can be brought and split up ie warlocks, wolf guard, necrons royal court, these all have a profile as infantry and it actually says they can join units, i really think as the way it is written in the supplement they are supposed to be together which makes me sad as im a eldar player and use the supplement , but all in all i think a FAQ might be in order clear this up just so it clear.
 

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i know your saying they dont normally work that way, but they are brought as a single HQ as a council if they were meant to be able to split off into different units the supplement would have said this but it dosent, units that can be brought and split up ie warlocks, wolf guard, necrons royal court, these all have a profile as infantry and it actually says they can join units, i really think as the way it is written in the supplement they are supposed to be together which makes me sad as im a eldar player and use the supplement , but all in all i think a FAQ might be in order clear this up just so it clear.
Emphasis mine. I feel you just answered your own question. An infantry unit MUST be in a group, and all of the squads you just mentioned talked specifically about being able to detach to join another unit, but at no point does this remove it's status as Infantry. Spiritseers remain Independent Characters, and therefore have no need for a group escort. They're simply calling their rule 'Shadow Council'. As I said, I don't have a SW codex in front of me, but it most closely relates to the rule that Wolves are allowed two HQ for a single choice, and I would try to match the wording of those two together.

Edit: Further Elaboration: I have Necrons with me, and I can see that the Royal Court are considered Infantry (Character). But again, those units have specific descriptions explaining how they're deployed, which trumps the definition of a Character. Since the Supplement lacks that description, I feel it falls back to the main rulebook, which says that an IC operates alone.
 

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The supplement doesn't remove the "Independent Character" rule from the Spiritseers.

That said I'm not sure how GW wants to handle supplements and allying. I'd assume it'd be like allies for the based codex, so anyone Eldar could ally to, the Iyanden should be allowed to ally too.

On another note for a really big RAI aguement: If Spiritseers can't split off into groups that'd make them a lot more useless since they wouldn't be able to properly support the Wraithguard/blades with their powers (since the Spiritseers have access to the Runes of Battle and their primaris that gives the Wraithguard/blades Battlefocus).
 

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The supplement doesn't remove the "Independent Character" rule from the Spiritseers.

That said I'm not sure how GW wants to handle supplements and allying. I'd assume it'd be like allies for the based codex, so anyone Eldar could ally to, the Iyanden should be allowed to ally too.

On another note for a really big RAI aguement: If Spiritseers can't split off into groups that'd make them a lot more useless since they wouldn't be able to properly support the Wraithguard/blades with their powers (since the Spiritseers have access to the Runes of Battle and their primaris that gives the Wraithguard/blades Battlefocus).
hey i totally agree with both ya , just putting another side across that an opposing player might use, and if in a tornny or a more serious game they technically would be right saying they have to be together as there nothing saying they can split to other units, i personally wouldnt have a problem allowing them to split to other units( mainly because i play them lol) the only + i can see is the inderpendent character rule saying that IC can join other units, but the problem is there all brought as a single HQ, but i do find the wording in the supplement confusing a bit" can be brought as a single HQ , rather than 1"
 

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hey i totally agree with both ya , just putting another side across that an opposing player might use, and if in a tornny or a more serious game they technically would be right saying they have to be together as there nothing saying they can split to other units, i personally wouldnt have a problem allowing them to split to other units( mainly because i play them lol) the only + i can see is the inderpendent character rule saying that IC can join other units, but the problem is there all brought as a single HQ, but i do find the wording in the supplement confusing a bit" can be brought as a single HQ , rather than 1"
The reason you don't see anything saying they CAN be split is because they don't need to. A Codex trumps the BRB, but nothing here is countering the BRB. You're buying Independant Characters. Nothing in this entry is saying that they are acting differently from Independant Characters. In the case of Necrons Royal Court, the codex is trumping the IC rule by stating they are purchased as a group, and then forced to join a unit. In the case of Warlock Council, they are Infantry, no character tag at all, and they are bought as a squad and broken off. But in the case of Spiritseers, no one technically can argue, because this does not counter the IC rule stating that they need to be run as seperate units. The only thing trumping the BRB right now is modification to the FOC by allowing more than one HQ for a single slot.

TL;DR -- it's not so much that you have to prove that the Spiritseers can be broken up, what you need to prove is that they get deployed together. THAT is what would cause it to trump the BRB.
 

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Why are we arguing this? They are Independant Charaters. Look at the rules for ICs. They follow those. Just like all other ICs bought as groups.
 

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To be honest I think it would make sense for them to split off. It makes no sense that in an Iyanden army that all the spirit seers would join together by themselves instead of leading the wraith units. Like is it not their job to be leading the wraith units.
 

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Its functions exactly the same way as Dark Eldar Homunculi, they are purchased up to three as a single FOC. Nothing states they have to start "together" in a group just that you can purchase multiple of them for a single FOC, and they retain their IC status. Even if you have to take them all in a group nothing in the current rules prevents you from deploying them with another squad, either all 5 or just a single 1. You can thank the IC rules for that.

The correct way to play it from my opinion and from other codexes precedence is you can buy 5 Spiritseers, and you are able to place them anywhere a IC may go in any combination. So yes in a double FOC you may have a single unit of 20 Spiritseers, or sprinkle them around the army etc etc.
 
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