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Hey guys I have a problem that maybe you can help me with, I have just got into this hobby a few weeks ago and fell in love with the Iron Warriors chaos marines but after people helping me out in my welcome to heresy thread i'm not too sure as to what to do for the best. If any of you collect IW would you be so kind as to share your insight with me as I don't know the best way to go about it.

Thanks in advance Honsu
 

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As you may or may not know, Iron Warriors specialise in seige warfare. Usually this means big guns, big guns and bigger guns supported by the odd squad of specialised assault troops for when the walls come crashing down.

I reckon that the best place to start with IW is the Heavy Support section, vindicators, defilers, obliterators. All good seige machines:grin:

Troops wise, maybe a squad of bezerkers in a rhino supported with 2 or more normal CSM squads. It all depends on the size of the game.

Elites, not too sure here. Termies are good but dreads are also good if you are feeling brave.

Thats all the advice I can give. Ultimately its up to you what you want your army to do, but may I also suggest the novels dead sky black sun and storm of iron for more background.

Good luck with your army :good:
 

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From my recollection of IW they didn't use cult troops correct? Same with Oblits/Daemons/etc. Loved them in 3.5 where they could take 4 Heavy Support. If you want to stick to the fluff I might read around to try and find more of their playstyle in relation to the army composition but otherwise what kazaddum said; seige specialists. I'd personally go for Oblits (but think that's against IW) CSM/Chosen in Rhinos but that's also me trying to be as competitive as possible.
 

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Regarding Obliterators it's quite the opposite kirby- they were the first Legion to manifest Obliterators, and still generally have a higher than average complement than the other legions.

Khorne Berzerkers are a good choice for Iron Warriors, not necessarily as followers of the Blood God but to represent the supressed blood lust of the Iron Warriors (it's in their Index Astartes article that they're as bloodthirsty as the Blood Angels or World Eaters but in a colder, more ruthless manner).
 

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Well, they are noted to restrain their bloodlust unless necessary in said article.

Then again, Storm of Iron shows that some of the Warriors need to work on that bit...
 

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From my recollection of IW they didn't use cult troops correct? Same with Oblits/Daemons/etc. Loved them in 3.5 where they could take 4 Heavy Support. If you want to stick to the fluff I might read around to try and find more of their playstyle in relation to the army composition but otherwise what kazaddum said; seige specialists. I'd personally go for Oblits (but think that's against IW) CSM/Chosen in Rhinos but that's also me trying to be as competitive as possible.
Quite the opposite as i'm reading Storm Of Iron again and they have Kroeger and his company that follow the Khorneate path and he succumbs to the red mist. etc.

these are all helpful but I was reading some other articles and the SoI book seems to suggest that IW can use Basilisks is this true? I was also wondering if anyone could find an email address for GW as I have looked on their site and can't fine one as I wondered if they would be kind enough to answer some of my in depth questions that I have that I would not want to bore you all with. I can only see the department for customer service. thanks, Honsu
 

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Not anymore, with the insult to Chaos that was their 4th edition dex.

Old rules were better. Chaos needs Legion rules and cultists as troops...
 

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Well your best bet to kick it off it to start off with a solid force :) now if your going to have iron warriors then you need a iron warrios HQ THE WARSMITH!
( http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300077&prodId=prod1130404 )

becuse of the current ruls he cant have a a servo army but just count it as a power fist and a combi melta :) ironwarrior bost more melta guns heavy weapons and seige weapons so to kick this off why not a rhino with a squad of chaos chosen with upto 5 meltaguns in a squad:) nice? how about a squad of terminators maybe 5 armed with all combie meltars and a chain fist to assault tanks dont go for all teh other over prices crap like lightling claws or a madly over priced autocannon,now for some troops iron warrios always trust there wargear more then the man next to them so why not more melta guns and other perks for the troops arm yourself with 2-4 squads of marines with melta bombs for the sergent a power fist and 2 melta guns in a squad and here is a iron warriors upgrade bits (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300084&prodId=prod1110164) now iron warrios dont like fast attack much and i dont use it so im going to move on, Heavy support this is where the iron warriors are feared your best bet is a mix why not take up all the slots maby a squad of advancing obliterators with a vindicator supressing troops and maby forceing your oponent to go to ground and a landraider to transport a squad of khorne bezerkers :) or even a squad of havos again the obliteratos are better then them as they can move and fire and can soke up more fire power

but in the end it it up to you what you want to do but take it from me and the others more meltas lascannons and obliteratos and HEAVY GUNS! is what makes a ironwarriors force!
 

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Given the very lame current rules and the vanillazation of all legions, we have to improvise.

For an Iron Warrior army, I would go with either two Vindicators or two Defilers, as well as a single Obliterator cult filled out as much as troops allow.

Get a unit of assault termies as elites. Lightning Claws, mark of knohrne, and give them a dedicated LR.

Fill out troops as needed. And practice painting that cool danger yellow;black pattern I always mess up when I try doing! :)
 

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Hey Honsu. I'm assuming you have read IW up on Lexicanum. The 2002 codex allowed IW to field a Basilisk as a heavy support choice and you could sacrifice a Fast Attack slot for a Heavy support slot. Sadly, not in the current edition as people have said. Still, its your money and if you want a chaos basi then go for it. I found this online somewhere..
 

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Best bet with Iron Warriors is to purchase the Vanilla marine codex.

Master of the Forge as a HQ.
Lysander as another.
Sternguard as well equpt CSM.
Thunderfire Cannons for Fluff.
 

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Well everyone already said nearly everything about Iron Warriors, so I will just recap a little and add my own experience:

-They love heavy weapons and artillery, so you should max Heavy Support choices, and take a vindicator and a squad of Oblits if you can
-They also have some very powerfull assault troops, for when a breach in a wall NEEDS to be taken, so Khorne Berserkers are good to have too.
-They don't really trust Deamons, which is good for you as Possessed and Lesser Deamons are not really competitive these days.

My own 1500-2000 pts army often includes 2 Vindicators, 2-3 Oblits, a squad of berserkers led by a Khorne Lord with Bloodfeeder, in a rhino with reinforced Armour, 2 squads of Vanilla CSM with 2 meltaguns, a champ with PF and another Rhino, and sometimes a Deapons Prince or a unit of Plague Marines if I have the points.
Basically the plan is Rush Forward, you want to use the number of armoured threats in oder to split the ennemy anti-tank fire, get your CSM squads near vehicules and burn them to ash with your meltas, unload your zerkers near a big ennemy infantry unit and chop them down, while the vindicators (which works better in pairs and WITH DEAMONIC POSSESSION) shoot the elite units and the Oblits either cover you with lascannons/plasma cannons or deepstrike and pop a vehicle or two with twin linked meltaguns. Remember to use the smoke lanchers on your Rhinos and vindicators on turn 1, and you assault with your zerkers, make them hit first, then the Lord, this way if your oblitorate the whole ennemy squad only withh your zerks, you wont have to roll for your deamon weapon, and it may save your Lord's life.

I hope this helps
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PS: Orochi, that's a nice idea, however we wouldn't have our dear Obliterators and Khorne Berzerkers anymore, and Thunderfire cannons really don't seem very reliable.
PPS: I forgot to tell it, but give your CSM squads and Icon of Chaos Glory, it will help them stand in close combat to let reinforcements (understand a big mob of angry berzerkers) some time to arrive, and it will also help you to teleport your Oblits.
 

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Oblits could be replicated by Techmarines sporting servo-harness or just normal Terminators.

The important bit about using the SM book is getting access to an HQ with a servo-arm with subsequent piles of Dreads and fun Siege Engines. That and just having a lot more options and a fun Codex.
 

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Regarding Obliterators it's quite the opposite kirby- they were the first Legion to manifest Obliterators, and still generally have a higher than average complement than the other legions.

Khorne Berzerkers are a good choice for Iron Warriors, not necessarily as followers of the Blood God but to represent the supressed blood lust of the Iron Warriors (it's in their Index Astartes article that they're as bloodthirsty as the Blood Angels or World Eaters but in a colder, more ruthless manner).
Fair enough ^^. As I said my recollection was from a long time ago :p.
 

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Well thanks a lot guys for helping me out and i think i might go ahead and get a basilisk or two as my next-door-neighbor, wont mind as we are playing a friendly to get me introduced to the game next week so i suppose he won't go too tough on the rules just yet. anyway it will be good for when I have a huge force of IW and want to play apocalypse. Thanks once again, Honsu

Edit:As i'm still new to this game for now I think I'll use the Chaos codex as I would not be confident using another one at this moment in time. but thanks for the suggestion.
 

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Sorry to double post just thought you might like to know my plans for starting my IW army(with the minis I get not ones my cousins have given me.) I have been reading SoI for the 2nd time and have read threads about count-as models and conversions and personally I think it would be very fitting for me to include count-as minis for the warsmith Honsou, Termie captain Forrix, Khornate style captain Kroeger, and the sorcerer who's name escapes me but it begins with J. AS such I have made my purchase from B&K with everything I need to make my Honsu (taking into account that he counts as a chaos lord. I will be using termie parts but "attempting" to make him true-scale as I have seen many tutorials on here showing, as such I will be posting WIP shots on here and when I get enough minis done I will start an IW project log.
 
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