[incinerator950]

Howdy y'all. I've decided to come back into 40k and this means go through my models that are sitting in storage. Basically I've decided to take the Helbrute formations to boot, and I have two army lists based on the Helcult and Mayhem Pack. I need help in choosing which one to use as I want to commit a build order for shorter term purchasing and modeling time.

HQ

Chaos Lord- MoN, Bike, LC, PF

Troops

5x PMs - 2x melta, Rhino
5x PMs - 2x melta, Rhino
5x PMs - 2x plasma, Rhino

Mayhem Pack

Helbrute - MM / PF
Helbrute - MM / PF
Helbrute - PC / PF

Fast Attack

2x Baledrakes
5x Bikers - MoN, x2 Meltas, Champ with Melta bombs and Power Axe

 

[Uveron]

Both lists look very effective.


For the first list I would look at trying to add a coms-relay into the list. You have alot of reserve rolls and it would help to get things onto the table faster. Otherwise you run the risk of beeing taken apart in small bite sized chunks.

 

[incinerator950]

Thank you.

Yeah I've never dabbled with coms arrays, I'm still new to 6th coming out of hybernation from Chaos 4.0/Main 5.0.

 

[Uveron]

You may also want to look into havocs on the rhinos. Adds a S5 Blast you can drop on hordes and light transports. (And as they are twin-linked they don't miss much)

 

[incinerator950]

That was one of the options I spent time looking into for Helcult's last 40 points. I opted to get more cultist bodies and a Burning brand. The Mayhem Pack I'm not sure where I'm going to pull points from.

Out of curiosity, what else can I do instead of Bikers? I'm utterly sick of seeing them in almost every list, and while I'm justifying Heldrakes because lol horde and fliers everywhere, I honestly don't care for them.

 

[incinerator950]

I've decided I want the Mayhem pack over the Helcult, simply because I don't want to deal with a small mess and it feels slightly more enjoyable to throw Demon Engines and machines at people than have more cultists spamming about. That being said I have a small dilemma that is causing me a OCD matter, I'm 5 points over the limit and I don't want to be! I have a couple of options to choose, and all of them are light. In the process of dropping the heavy flamers, I added a couple of bikers as I was repeatedly informed elsewhere that having a minimum of three bikers wasn't worth it. I don't want spawn either, so I made the decision to have more marines instead of more beautiful flamethrowers.

Chaos Lord- MoN, Bike, LC, PF

5x PMs - 2x melta, Rhino
5x PMs - 2x melta, Rhino
5x PMs - 2x plasma, Rhino

Helbrute - MM / PF
Helbrute - MM / PF
Helbrute - PC / PF

2x Baledrakes
5x Chaos Bikers - 2x Melta, MoN, Champ w/ Melta Bombs, Power Axe

As it stands, I love the list. Despite hating meta groups, I love the way the Heldrakes look (I love Dragons, I'm thinking of some awesome conversion ideas). However, I want the list to be at the most exactly 1500. So I'm at 1505 and I have a few options:

• Change the Lord's loadout to something without the Power fist (Unwieldy is questionable)
• Drop a Rhino (sounds terrible)
• Drop the Plasma Cannon (headache because I bought a OOP Chaos Dread that I like)
• Drop the Bike Champs melta bombs (Unsure)
• Drop the biker squad from 5 to 4 (My understanding is 5 would be a minimum threshold)
• Change the Heldrakes to (gasp) Blight Drones

I had one time considered dumping 3 autocannons on my Helbrutes, but that was because I was having a dakka moment. Thankfully it passed. When I upgrade to 1750-2000, I will be including lassponsonautopreds or Obliterators.

 

[Lord Commander]

In my opinion too many Heldrakes. You only need one, max two, to optimize the role in your list that the heldrake brings.


The Chaos Marine players in adepticon had max of one Heldrake in their lists.

 

[incinerator950]

In my opinion too many Heldrakes. You only need one, max two, to optimize the role in your list that the heldrake brings.


The Chaos Marine players in adepticon had max of one Heldrake in their lists.

Most of them also had Necron Allies and minimal cultists for filler and capping. Plus from what I understand a single Heldrake will get focused more than two.

At any rate I can drop my champ's weapons, take Aura, or just drop the meltabombs and call it.

 

[Lord Commander]

Actually none of them had Necron allies. At least in the top 16.

 

[Kreuger]

Do what is Iron Warriors about this list, or is it just color scheme on the drakes?

I ask because one of my back burner projects (behind career, family, & grad school) is an Iron Warriors list with a Nurgle focus.

It would include iron warriors units with lots of bionics, oil-like ooze like The Cleaved, and a suggestion of the obliterator virus. There would definitely be uncorrupted Iron Warriors as well.

 

[incinerator950]

Do what is Iron Warriors about this list, or is it just color scheme on the drakes?

I ask because one of my back burner projects (behind career, family, & grad school) is an Iron Warriors list with a Nurgle focus.

It would include iron warriors units with lots of bionics, oil-like ooze like The Cleaved, and a suggestion of the obliterator virus. There would definitely be uncorrupted Iron Warriors as well.

I'm making an entirely new scheme for them, new colors. My own take on their heraldry with my own designed banners and badges, my avatar is one of them. I'm planning on changing the wing configuration and possibly the heads to make my Heldrakes more Dragon like. I'll probably try and get some bionics molded into my Plague Marines (thanks for the reminder), I'm still using my plague marines I've been collecting for the last couple of years.

It's more of a mono-god focus derived from the Iron Warriors. Not specifically just being siege specialists, but the use of Bikes would be justified for a scout commander from the Crusades, using Helbrutes as a break in/anti-tank squadron. Plague Marines are excellent trench fighters too, and any justification about why it looks like any other PM list is simply because our meta is designed by uninterested pricks, it's cheaper for me money wise, and I fucking want to do it that way.

As for the Adepticon lists, I was reading the one from last year. The few I see this year (from google top 16/Winner) is a Chaos Demons army with minimal cultists, a sorc and a heldrake. The GDs and Demon princes make up for having a second Heldrake with allocation and flight, minimizing the need for anything by just taking basic essential units for scoring and bleeding. Again, I don't see why this in particular applies to me.

The list is intended to be fun+semi-competitive. If two heldrakes is overdoing it, then I'll likely switch down to two Blight Drones, or go make a fortification defense line. This is entirely subject to cases of shiveagits based on my new local meta, which may be taudar/deathstar spam for all I know. In regards though, I've decided to just take off the melta bombs and keep it at 1500 to maintain the limited sanity I apply to this task. If I keep getting a dead Lord from battles, I'll drop the power axe from the champ and the PC on the one Dread for a sigil.

Thank you gents, ladies, and man children for the feedback. You've been very helpful.

 

[Kreuger]

Plague Marines are excellent trench fighters too, and any justification about why it looks like any other PM list is simply because our meta is designed by uninterested pricks, it's cheaper for me money wise, and I fucking want to do it that way.

I'm not sure if you're cussing at me or your local meta. If it's the meta I understand. If it's me then it's uncalled for.

Either way, good luck with the list. And keep us posted with photos.

 

[incinerator950]

It's directed at neither. When I'm done with my state certification and my second job hunt, I'll be able to get this up to speed.

Right, it's come to deciding between a Vindicator or a Predator to replace the Heldrake. The remaining points will go into the rest of my army so I can buff my Lord or give my Mayhem Pack its heavy flamers back.

The decision is less esoteric choice and more monetary, as I'm looking for deals on them and whichever one I buy gets in, but for arty use with IW I am leaning toward the Vindicator slightly more.