[ForthBringerOfChaos]

Well, I have put together my Steel Bretheren and World Eater armies but I still have a bit more money to waste before I cut down on Warhammer spending. So as my final Chaos army for about six more months, i've decided to try out death guard. I have no clue where to start fluff wise and that's bad because all my armies have to be fluffy. HAVE TO! So any lists and advice or insight on the fluff is appreciated. Thanks again, this forum has been a major help!:victory:

 

[ROT]

FINALLY, i love nurgle so much, but am so scared to buy a themed army incase i get it wrong. ForthBringer heres a start.

HQ -

Daemon Prince of Nurgle (awesome miniture)
- MoN, Rot(Warptime is the obvious one, rot is more fluffy). Depending on the army size, 2 of them? i dont think wings are very nurgley, but if you want to model them with wings, go for it


Troops - LOTS OF THEM

7 - Plague Marines,
-2 meltas, rhino (You could do an awesome paint job on the rhino, all green/plague-like) Plague champion w/ PP + PF

7 - Plague Marines,
-2 Meltas, rhino, plague champion PP PF

7 - Plague Marines,
-2 Meltas, rhino, plague Champion PP PW

768 pts

Fast Attack -

5 - Bikers
-1 champ with PP, 1 flamer 1 melta

Heavy Support -
Havocs are included in the Death Guard, infantry based heavy support. thats a big yes for mortarion

You get the idea

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/226847.page

Look at this guys Death Gaurd army, it's incredible. Well, the paint job is.


The things to remember,

• Mortarion was very infantry based, so lots of plague marines, bikers. Lack of Heavy supprort [mech].
  
• convert models of typhus for a Lord, it would be alot of fun.
  
• You want things that are TOUGH
  
• Lords are common in death guard
  
• Summonable daemons, you could have hordes of Plague bearers drop in, or p'haps a greater daemon of nurgle? I dont see enough Chaos armies using summoned daemons.
  
  

I'll watch this closely, i am interested in the results

 

[ForthBringerOfChaos]

Thanks for posting a list first off and for being the first to reply. I'll look into the fluff jsut to see what's accepted and whats not. Though havocs being the only thing I can get for heavy support is going to have to go. I'm getting at least a few obliterators of that I am sure, what ever the fluff says. Everything else i'm going to try and keep fluffy, summoned daemons sound fun so i'll give their page in the codex another flick through.

I love what that guy did with his Death Guard, really creative. It was just a few paints and then dipped in a floor stain. Brilliant! The rhino is just beastly, i'm going to have to follow that exact paint scheme it's just too good not to.

 

[ROT]

Don't forget the green stuff!!! Nurgle is easy to exadurate with it, looking at those pictures, and if your struggling, theres a picture of the original death guard scheme on page 18!!

I've done some looking, but not found much in terms of fluff for death gaurd, all i know is that It was Created by Mortarion, who always had 2 bodygaurds. Typhus was a herald for the God Nurgle. Mortarion was Infantry based, so his Death Guard consisted of ALOT of infantry, small heavy supprt (but again infantry) Limited Tanks and a Fair few elite units like Terminators -> Fast Attack Bikers.

Nothing said about Oblits or Dreadnaughts/Defilers of what i have found.

Really hoping together we can come up with something awesome ^-^

 

[Deamon]

Obliterator are infantry so I see no problem with them.
Mortarion was mostly infantry based because he can from a world of mountains. So IMO Obli are just fine fluffwise.

 

[ROT]

That makes sense, im just not fimiliar with how obliterators came to being, i assumed they were rogue guys who worked like bounty hunters, which dosnt seem very fluffy. But they are infantry yes, so point well made

I'd like to see a nurgle-schemed obliterator!

 

[Primarch Lorgar]

Obliterators are fallen tech marines, now they are chaos, they can research warp fueled weaponry, which was illegal when they were loyal to the emperor! Hope this helps!:biggrin:

 

[ForthBringerOfChaos]

My point exactly I find obliterators to fit into most fluff because their out for the highest bidder. Any legion could buy some and every thing just becomes more epic with the pimped out nurgle style. I'm looking to field the obliterators as the heavy support choice when I put together the list, and they are infact infantry so they fit perfectly with Mortarion's Death Guard army. I wouldn't mind putting together a high point list with you (ROT) or anyone else who's up to it.

Just a quick thing I searched up on the internet fluff wise on Death Guard. Daemon princes, many people seem to say that you should block LoS to you're Daemon Prince with a big hunk of a vehicle and if no bigger alternative use a rhino. Now looking into the fluff on the death guard it doesn't look as if they use many vehicles at all, even rhinos. Due to their filth eroding the joints on the vehicles or whatever, so this means I have to get my prince from cover to cover if I decide to run an extemely fluffy list, with few if any transports and vehicles. That would leave my prince out in the open for most sparsly sceneried games. I don't want to lose him too early. Also, even though the plague marines are tough with out vehicles they'll still be picked out although slower than usual. Not having vehicles or transports in my list seems to come with a big consequence just for keeping with the fluff.

What are you're thoughts on that? Should I go mechanized like most armies are now or not, just to keep with the fluff at the cost of a lot of games.

 

[ROT]

it depends how much the fluff means to YOU personally, no-one will ever call you out saying "Your lists not fluffy! They dont use vehicals much!" And if they do, it's most likely because you just tabled them, and they are mad.

BUT, i think you shouldn't put your chances of winning in jeopardy for the sake of an interpretation of the, so far foggy, FLUFF.

Stick with the rhinos, shy from Land Raiders/defilers/predators/vindicators, but just keep the rhinos for the sake of needing them
The only thing that really effects par rhinos... Is Bikers, I thought bikers seemed very Nurgle, very tough, beasty type unit. But there you go?
The point on the Oblits is 100% valid, makes perfect sense

TY Primarch for assisting ^.^

How many points is this army to be, Because i'm gunna start making a list, and see how it goes! Exciting stuff.

 

[ForthBringerOfChaos]

Most of my lists are around the 1,500 point scale, but because im loving grand pa nurgle that much. I wouldn't mind going up to an apocalyptic scale, and yes I will actually buy the models for it. Seeing as it's the last army i'll buy in a long while. I want to have a lot of fun with making this list, so lets build on it from there. Give me a suggestion on how many points and I'll see if I can afford it .

Oh, and as for the fluff I think I pretty much know everything about how they came to being and i'll be glad to tell you if you want. What I really want to see now is a writing up of one of their battles, it shouldn't be hard to find because they were one of the legions at the spearhead of the aussault on Terra but it is actually quite difficult.

 

[ROT]

List v2

HQ
Chaos Lord (optional; use Typhus Model?) - 195
- Terminator Armour, MoN, Daemonic Steed, Plaguebringer (daemon weapon).

Daemon Prince of Nurgle - 175
- Wings, MoN, Warptime.

Troops

Plague Marines - 271
- Champion with Powerfist, 2 meltaguns, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 271
- Champion with Powerfist, 2 meltaguns, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 266
- Champion with Powerfist, 1 meltagun, 1 Flamer, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 251
- Champion with Powerfist, rhino with EA

Heavy Support

5 Chaos Havocs - 280
- 2 Missile Launchers(1 of them being a champion), 2 Lascannons, 1 Flamer


5 Chaos Havocs - 240
- 2 Missile Launchers(1 of them being a champion), 2 meltaguns, 1 Heavy Bolter

2 Obliterators - 150

2 Obliterators - 150

Elites

5 Chosen Chaos Space Marines - 250
- 1 Flamers on the Champion, 1 PlasmaGun, 2 Combi-weapon, 1 Twin-Linked Bolter
- 2 PowerWeapons, 1 PowerFist on the Champion.
- Rhino Extra Armour

total - 2499

Should cover every aspect, loads of anti tank (powerfists, meltas), enough anti-infantry (flamers, plague marines)

-Let the Plague Marines get locked in combat with opposing troop choices.
-4 Missile Launchers, 4 Obliterators, 2 Lascannons to long range tanks, then like 8 melta guns and powerfists to take out vehicals.

let's see what people think

Oh yeah, it's pretty damn infantry based, LOL 48 infantry models.

Yeah, go comment.

 

[papercutdan]

HQ
Chaos Lord (optional; use Typhus Model?) - 195
- Terminator Armour, MoN, Daemonic Steed, Plaguebringer (daemon weapon).

Daemon Prince of Nurgle - 175
- Wings, MoN, Warptime.

Troops

Plague Marines - 271
- Champion with Powerfist, 2 meltaguns, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 271
- Champion with Powerfist, 2 meltaguns, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 266
- Champion with Powerfist, 1 meltagun, 1 Flamer, rhino with EA
Plague Marines - 251
- Champion with Powerfist, rhino with EA

Heavy Support

5 Chaos Havocs - 280
- 2 Missile Launchers(1 of them being a champion), 2 Lascannons, 1 Flamer


5 Chaos Havocs - 240
- 2 Missile Launchers(1 of them being a champion), 2 meltaguns, 1 Heavy Bolter

2 Obliterators - 150

2 Obliterators - 150

Elites

5 Chosen Chaos Space Marines - 250
- 1 Flamers on the Champion, 1 PlasmaGun, 2 Combi-weapon, 1 Twin-Linked Bolter
- 2 PowerWeapons, 1 PowerFist on the Champion.
- Rhino Extra Armour

total - 2499

Should cover every aspect, loads of anti tank (powerfists, meltas), enough anti-infantry (flamers, plague marines)

-Let the Plague Marines get locked in combat with opposing troop choices.
-4 Missile Launchers, 4 Obliterators, 2 Lascannons to long range tanks, then like 8 melta guns and powerfists to take out vehicals.

let's see what people think

Oh yeah, it's pretty damn infantry based, LOL 48 infantry models.

Yeah, go comment.

um you have 4 heavy support and i dont see the point with the flamers or meltas in the havic squads. i would take some more PM if it were me but i think it is a fluffy list and all together okay. it would be a lot better if the Upgrades and mostly the special weapons in some of the squads were reworked

 

[Hesky]

Probably going to fall victim to the cry of "Cheese!" but 3 x (3) Obliterator units would be more effective than the havocs...

And it would solve the 4 heavy's problem..

Nice list though.. Grandfather Nurgle would be proud...

 

[ROT]

NERH, good points, i basically just threw in one or two of everything in them havocs lol, not fimiliar with using them, but they seemed fluffy, so i just went with one of everything

Yeah, i'm sure if it was reworked around, it would be ok, but it dosnt matter, it's 1000 points over what ForthBringer wanted! So back to the drawing board for me Too busy with my own khorne list :ireful2:

TOO MUCH WARHAMMER.

:victory:

And rofl Hesky, i'm eating a cheese sandwitch, i can smell Cheesy feet, this is making me pull a cheesy grin.

:grin: YOU GET THE POINT? :biggrin:

 

[Hesky]

And rofl Hesky, i'm eating a cheese sandwitch, i can smell Cheesy feet, this is making me pull a cheesy grin.

:grin: YOU GET THE POINT? :biggrin:

Edam you sir! Edam you to cheesy hell! :ireful2:

Yes I am shameful but the blood god cares only for skulls. Should cheesy draw blood and give skulls for his throne even Lord Khorne could handle a little fromage..

 

[ROT]

Yes, well.

Ironically, Papa Nurgle i can imagine has quite the taste for cheese, seeing as he dwells in anything else rotten.

been looking everywhere for a death guard Obliterator model.

 

[Hesky]

A bit of Greenstuff, a imperial guardsmans head and a few gaping mouths from my Tyranid bitz box made this fella look a little Nurgley..

 

[Primarch Lorgar]

dude, that is damn awsome! I fail at using green stuff, but apparently you don't!k:

 

[ROT]

:O that's incredible! Really nice ;o

*Looks at own Oblits*

SIGH. badtimes.

 

[WarlordKaptainGrishnak]

A great source of Nurgle/Death Guard fluff is in the 3rd Edition of the CSM codex, which has the Nurgle Book of Chaos in it giving detail on the subject, plus fluff, fluff on wargear and details etc. If you can pick it up on ebay or off a friend/someone at your FLGS it could be a big help.

A nice thing it had was a table that in fluff would restrict your choices of what you could take, this probably won't sit well with the much loved Nurgle Bikers though

For Nurgle;
Lords/Lietenants -Yes
Chosen -Yes
Possessed -Yes
Marines -Yes
Bikers -No
Raptors -No
Havocs -Yes

If you get ahold of the earlier codex the Nurgle BoC is PGs 50-53, and are a good source of fluff.

For DG, the metal models are costly but if you buy a mix of metal models and normal plastic CSM and some GS you could convert up a nice batch of Plague Marines.

For Obliterators a good idea could be to use plastic Terminators and with more GS add weapons to them and 'Nurgle-fy' them to be the bloated machine-marines they are.

And rememer that with a higher T, Nurgle loves Plasma

Grish