[Wusword77]

but halo haters are crazy anti-fanboys who believe master chief has single handedly destroyed the entire gaming industry and that all the fans of the series should be burned on a stake like the fictinal witch hunts.

While I don't agree on the first part, I wouldn't mind the second part from time to time. Halo Fanboys are some of the worst out there, mostly because they tend to fall into the class of "Bro Gamer." (For a reference to what a Bro Gamer is please go Here)

I am neither personally, I enjoyed the series for what they are, good thought out games that may not of broken any molds but were solid enough to provide replayability in an interesting universe with mistakes, but few enough to keep you interested.

Halo: Combat Evolved showed us what a FPS could be, it didn't "break" the mold, just kinda filled it in all the way. Halo 2 and beyond turned into a money grab that gave us the bastard child Halo 3: ODST.

 

[gen.ahab]

Halo: Combat Evolved showed us what a FPS could be, it didn't "break" the mold, just kinda filled it in all the way. Halo 2 and beyond turned into a money grab that gave us the bastard child Halo 3: ODST.

Personally, I liked to story line of ODST. All in all it was a good game, IMO.

 

[Stella Cadente]

that gave us the bastard child Halo 3: ODST.

ODST was actually one of my favs, it was nice to not play as master chief, and I enjoyed the little street sections and the music was brilliant in those parts, added allot to the atmosphere.

the graphics especially on faces did let it down a little though, but who gives a shit about graphics.

 

[Hooobit]

I didn't mind Halo3: ODST, for a game originally designed as an expansion it's pretty good. The thing to remember is that is was more of a test bed for aspects of Halo: Reach, E.g. firefight, night vision/VISR, lighting effect etc.

I'm not an expert, but if you start all serious about something then decide to try the line
"I only did this as a joke", doesn't that mean you have conceded the arguement?

 

[Wusword77]

Personally, I liked to story line of ODST. All in all it was a good game, IMO.

ODST was actually one of my favs, it was nice to not play as master chief, and I enjoyed the little street sections and the music was brilliant in those parts, added allot to the atmosphere.

the graphics especially on faces did let it down a little though, but who gives a shit about graphics.

I didn't mind Halo3: ODST, for a game originally designed as an expansion it's pretty good. The thing to remember is that is was more of a test bed for aspects of Halo: Reach, E.g. firefight, night vision/VISR, lighting effect etc.

I'm not an expert, but if you start all serious about something then decide to try the line
"I only did this as a joke", doesn't that mean you have conceded the arguement?

The game should have been DLC, not a full priced $60 retail purchase. Thats what I meant by bastard child. I was disappointed with what was packaged in the game, though the mechanics were strong enough. They should have just had the game as a $20 download.

 

[jaws900]

howabout this
WS - 1
BS - 1
S - 2
T - 2
A - 1
I - 1
W - 1
Ld - 2
Save - ~

That sounds better to me.
Ya i realy dislike halo becuas eof what it has done to gmaing culture in general. Every 1st or 3rd person shooter is compared to halo now which i hate. So master chief can go rot in hell. (BTW Master chieft is actualy Duke Nukem in discise!)

 

[Stella Cadente]

The game should have been DLC, not a full priced $60 retail purchase. Thats what I meant by bastard child. I was disappointed with what was packaged in the game, though the mechanics were strong enough. They should have just had the game as a $20 download.

everyone these days wants full games for $20, not gonna happen though, why would a game industry make a full game for $20?, unless they want to go out of business
$20 = extra maps for a game, not a full game
you wana t a full game for $20 buy it second hand

but anyway.

 

[WinZip]

How about a stat line for Noble 6 :laugh: Even though he died at the end of Reach he still kills like 7 Zealot and Ultra elites in the last cinematic

 

[Phil73805]

Master Chief? You mean a genetically engineered super-soldier in powered armour? I'm sure we have something like that already in the 40k universe, what are they called...SPACE MARINES!

I know, hard to remember right? I mean GW are only in love with them (and why not) and produce a new Space Marine Codex on an almost weekly basis.

I'm afraid you've just been nominated for a muppet award...

Make no mistake, I love HALO but everytime I play it I'm thinking, oooh look what one Space Marine can do.

 

[gen.ahab]

Honestly, you can't really base his stats off the game; if you read the Halo books the chief is insane. He basically mows through covies like they aren't even there. I would honestly, now take it with a small pinch of salt since MC and spartans are probably my favorite SciFi .... characters I suppose, anyway, here is how I would write his stats:

WS:4(maybe5) BS:5 S:4 T:4(maybe just 3 though) A:2(maybe3) W:3 I:5(in the books the spartans reaction time is to fast for them to calculate) LD:10 Sv: 4+/4++ (honestly, it wouldn't be anywhere as good a power armor since spartans aren't assault troops)

Special rules:
Fleet(they can do over 30MPH in a full sprint), Fearless, Inspiring Presence, Stubborn.

Inspiring Presence: Basically everyone uses his LD.

I would also figure out some way to work in all the toys he gets from Halo3.

Edit: Really though, this business about comparing a Spartan to a SM is silly. Its comparing apples to oranges; Spartans aren't assault troops, they are covert ops troops. A Spartan would never get into HTH with a SM because, even though a Spartan might have comparable strength and, big maybe here, toughness to a marine, he doesn't have the same training and he doesn't have the same equipment that a marine has access to.

 

[Wusword77]

everyone these days wants full games for $20, not gonna happen though, why would a game industry make a full game for $20?, unless they want to go out of business
$20 = extra maps for a game, not a full game
you wana t a full game for $20 buy it second hand

but anyway.

The "game" wasn't a full game. It added 4 maps to multiplayer with a 4 hour single player mode. Hell, it came with a DVD that contained "The full Halo 3 Multiplayer Mode," which most people had as they were playing Halo 3 multiplayer before hand. If you have to package another games multiplayer into your own to call it a "full game" it's not a full game.

If I wanted to re-buy half of Halo 3 plus all it's maps I would have. I wanted a decent sized single player with a bunch of new maps for $60.

 

[Hooobit]

Spartans are more of a Scalpel force, small, agile, fast and stealthy. Designed for putting down a rebellion and hunting a guerilla force.

Where as space marines come across more like a broadsword, big, heavy armoured, hard hitting and designed for conquest/ war.

Both are super soldiers but both have different roles to fill. They would work pretty well together if given the chance.

something more like this seems right,
BS-5 WS-5 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-5 A-2 LD-10 SV-3+/3++

 

[Stella Cadente]

The "game" wasn't a full game. It added 4 maps to multiplayer with a 4 hour single player mode

in the modern world of awful shitty games like medal of honors 2 hour single player and shite multiplayer, 4 hours of single player and 4 extra maps to a working multiplayer is 2 full games worth of content, you should consider yourself blessed.

 

[Phil73805]

So, if I'm getting this right, Master Chief is more like a Space Marine scout?

 

[Hooobit]

So, if I'm getting this right, Master Chief is more like a Space Marine scout?

Same kinda role as a scout, just better at doing it. 4+ save probably is a better shout than what i gave him of a 3+.

 

[gen.ahab]

So, if I'm getting this right, Master Chief is more like a Space Marine scout?

He isn't really a scout. He is more of like the guy you send in to kill a particular person after your scout identifies the location. A Spartan group is more like a black ops kill team. So he is similar in some ways, but still different.

 

[Djinn24]

Agree with Stella. The reason everyone compared modern FPS to Halo is the fact that the first Halo broke WASD single weapon fire mold of FPS of yesteryear. One day it will be toppled by a newer innovative system and we will start comparing games to that.

Kinda like how a lot of folks compare every model game to WH40K.

 

[Wusword77]

Spartans are more of a Scalpel force, small, agile, fast and stealthy. Designed for putting down a rebellion and hunting a guerilla force.

Where as space marines come across more like a broadsword, big, heavy armoured, hard hitting and designed for conquest/ war.

Both are super soldiers but both have different roles to fill. They would work pretty well together if given the chance.

something more like this seems right,
BS-5 WS-5 S-5 T-4 W-2 I-5 A-2 LD-10 SV-3+/3++

I would rather take a Spartan with those stats then a Marine. I would go more with something like this for a stat line:

BS-4 WS-4 S-4 T-3 -W-2 I-4 A-2 LD-8 Sv-4+/6++ tops.

A Spartan would be better then a Storm Trooper (which would be the equal of an ODST Trooper) but not the equal of a Marine.

in the modern world of awful shitty games like medal of honors 2 hour single player and shite multiplayer, 4 hours of single player and 4 extra maps to a working multiplayer is 2 full games worth of content, you should consider yourself blessed.

If you consider 4 hour single player with 4 maps for multiplayer, for a different game no less, a blessing I have a bridge to sell you.

I would also play some of BorderLands. $10 DLC that added anywhere from 4-20 hours of gameplay per DLC. There were 4 of them. Maybe they should have sold them as $60 games as well.

 

[Hooobit]

I would rather take a Spartan with those stats then a Marine. I would go more with something like this for a stat line:

BS-4 WS-4 S-4 T-3 -W-2 I-4 A-2 LD-8 Sv-4+/6++ tops.

A Spartan would be better then a Storm Trooper (which would be the equal of an ODST Trooper) but not the equal of a Marine.

I did take the stats from a UNSC Fandex i made, Spartan 2's were a 0-1 elites choice, ODST's were akin to storm troopers, marines to veteran troopers and UNSC army was the regular guard type.

I might actually post it.

 

[gen.ahab]

A Spartan would be better then a Storm Trooper (which would be the equal of an ODST Trooper) but not the equal of a Marine.

That would depend on whether you are looking at a SpartanII in the vid or a Spartan in the books, but, again, they wouldn't be better or worse than a marine, they are different.