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Say for example, a Space Marine force attacks a planet and needs to establish a strong hold, how would they go about it. Meaning, in technical terms of getting gun turrets and sand bags to the field to create a base of operations. What ships do they use ? Is it all done by servitors and Tech marines ? Do they have decent drop ships for quick base deployment ?

(yes I've been playing a bit of Dawn of War lately)
 

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Say for example, a Space Marine force attacks a planet and needs to establish a strong hold, how would they go about it. Meaning, in technical terms of getting gun turrets and sand bags to the field to create a base of operations. What ships do they use ? Is it all done by servitors and Tech marines ? Do they have decent drop ships for quick base deployment ?

(yes I've been playing a bit of Dawn of War lately)
I'm not going to touch the drop base. It's rare for SM to set up bases, beyond maybe a place to meet, but I would believe they would either drop in take over a enemy/ally base. In the HH series the Iron Warriors dropped and proceed to quickly create barricades, I would assume they had them inside their drop pods, though it may of been strapped to the outside. Storm of Iron the Iron warriors had slaves/mercinaries dig and build their bullworks. In modern loyalists I would assume they would quickly establish a a basic firebase, then proceed to use have serfs and (SM) running building shifts.
 

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In the HH series the Iron Warriors dropped and proceed to quickly create barricades
I haven't read the book, but could they have used local debris to create barricades over strapping stuff to their Drop Pods/having supply Pods coming down?
 

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I haven't read the book, but could they have used local debris to create barricades over strapping stuff to their Drop Pods/having supply Pods coming down?
If I remember right they landed in a ash badlands, almost nothing to use, and they mentioned them being made of metal.
 

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In the during the Great Crusade and even now in 40k almost all of the buildings which are used as fortifications and HQ's are actually already per-fabricated buildings that can be quickly assembled when delivered to the needed location (space Ikea) or are already build and merely need dropping down.
 

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I assume the drop pods themselves are made of various metals & other materials, to me it would make sense to assemble structures using the drop pods for parts
 

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I have always thought space marines as the Spearhead that never stops. The Astra Milit... (who am I kiddig?) The Imperial Guard dugs in and holds position using aegis brought with dropceafts and bastions that are airlifted to the surface. If space marines needs to dug in I think the IG alteady has set the fortification sin place and for the SM it has been a battle lost.
 

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I have always thought space marines as the Spearhead that never stops. The Astra Milit... (who am I kiddig?) The Imperial Guard dugs in and holds position using aegis brought with dropceafts and bastions that are airlifted to the surface. If space marines needs to dug in I think the IG alteady has set the fortification sin place and for the SM it has been a battle lost.
good concept, but I think that space marines defend a lot of the time.

take the 101 airborne in world war two. Though an airborne unit, they defended Bastogne until the Calvary came up to help them. Ideally the marines are attacking all the time, because that's the bloody point behind super warriors who can fight longer then any mortal man, while also requiring a massively steady supply of ammunition (las guns don't because they recharge over time thus furthering the assault role of the marines VS the siege guard), but there are times where they do get caught flat footed and have to defend a point or hold a area.

when it comes to hold a area it self though, I think we can look to the US "Search and destroy" and Boreale's "Steel rain" tactic for an example. Hold your force in one point, then deploy it to where it is needed, fight everything then fall back, defending by constant attacks, like a fencer hold a enemy at bay by constantly attacking, marines just lack the numbers to do much else.

If a point is attacked they have to defend no matter what, they I think we can see them fighting like the guard, trenches, defensive emplacements, ectra. They may not have the numbers to do it, but frankly what the guard does works, so of course the marines would do it, they may not like it but they will do it. I also guess a heavy empathies on semi-automatous weapons like tarantula turrets to make the most of the marines limited man power, deployment would likely be the same as the dawn of war games, servitors assembling buildings dropped from orbit.
 

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If it is a case of not dropping on top of a critical target klling it and leaving then i would think for a 40k chapter, that they would blitz a site from orbit, drop a shit load of drop pods containing locator beacons deathwind drop pods dummy pods and tarantulas in a defensive pattern into which they drop the pods and thunderhawks containing troops and vehicles stores to secure the location and then in a second wave drop specialist pods and prefab defensive structures
 

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I think Moriouce's point (please correct if I'm off) isn't that SM's lack the tactical acumen to effectively defend a point, but that they're designed in 40K to be the special forces of the Imperial arsenal. When they're called into an area for defensive measures, they're already supporting an established fortification under siege and expected to reinforce it, not bring their own to create a new defensive strong point. Once a SM gets holed up, he cedes his strategic advantage to the opponent and shackles the speed and aggresiveness that make him so strategically important on the battlefield.

An example of this is the Nids siege of Tarsis Ultra in "Warriors of Ultramar". Sure, the UMs and Mortifactors add tremendous advantage with their planning of the defense in established fortifications, and fighting on the front line, but ultimately are nothing more than speed bumps to the Nids attack. It's only when a Deathwatch strike team gets out of the fortifications and goes on the attack against the Hive Fleet that they make a crucial difference.
 

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In the during the Great Crusade and even now in 40k almost all of the buildings which are used as fortifications and HQ's are actually already per-fabricated buildings that can be quickly assembled when delivered to the needed location (space Ikea) or are already build and merely need dropping down.
Now what would that be called. . . ?
Adeptus Astra Ikeum ?
Adeptus AssembleItYourselfium?

I think doctrinally we're scratching around the edges.

The marines aren't typically holding ground for the heck of it. If the marines have to attack something they drop in, attack, and leave. I suspect that much of this logistical structure would revolve around continual drops of additional ammunition and material, or being air lifted to the next battle zone.

If there was a need for fortification in makes sense that they would use the dozer blades on their tanks to form embankments, prefab structures, existing structures, etc.

The strength of a marine army is that their armor makes them almost impervious to most small arms.

(The original point of the AP system was to encourage Marie players to be mute mobile and aggressive, because 3+ was better than the best cover save)

Marines would be out in front. The grannies can defend.
 

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Similar to the U.S Marines Recon and U.S Army Delta Force the Space Marines deploy most of their equiptment with RRT's (Rapid Response Teams). From my understanding most basic equiptment, Turrets, and "Field" buildings can all be deployed from Space by Drop Pods and Thunderhawks. Most other equiptment probably has dedicated RRT's made of Serfs who's only job is to prepare and insure this equiptment for Rapid Deployement to the battlefield by way of air transports.

On a seperate note Sandbags?? Really?? There SM mates, they don't need Sandbags, they ARE the Sandbags. :p
 
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