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Would a primarch and a whole legion be able to take out the dark eldars if they found a webway portal into commorragh ?

I mean from reading the raid on Commorragh in lexicanum it was just the Salamenders that did allot of damage.
 

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Would a primarch and a whole legion be able to take out the dark eldars if they found a webway portal into commorragh ?

I mean from reading the raid on Commorragh in lexicanum it was just the Salamenders that did allot of damage.
I honestly think, that an entire legion attacking commorragh directly would have devastating effects on Commoragh and the dark eldar. just imagine Horus and his legion, or for example the Imperial fists or Ultramarines as a legion with primarch and all entering the webway and comming out over commoragh and unleashing all hell. I think it might actualy end up becoming a cull.
 

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Depends, really... The problem with Commorragh is its size and population. While the Dark city itself may be large as an entire planet, there's probably hundreds of milions of DE in it, if not billions. Not counting xeno mercenaries and so on.

DE can also close off and isolate portions of Commorragh... so it's questionable if a legion would be able to effectively hunt them all down and kill....

Ofc, that doesn't means a legion wouldn't stand a chance, it's afterall at least 100,000 marines we are talking about.

Even if Imperium managed to defeat most of Commorragh, I guess the remaining DE would flee. Eldar aren't really known for static wars and last stands.
 

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I think the initial damage will be the telling factor. If the astartes can strike a critical section of the city early, they may be able to deal crippling damage to the key resources and cohesion of the dark eldar forces.

If they hit what is ultimately an expendable node of Commoragh, chances are the DE will gradually be able to turn the tide.
 

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I don't think they would be successful at all. They will do a huge amount of damage but will most likely take crippling damage themselves.

I think the main things here it wouldn't be just the dark eldar. If it was a full blown extermination I sincerely believe the Craftworlds would get involved and not just them but the Harlequins as well. Now they are facing 3 "worlds" military.

That and as previously stated the "nodes" can be cut off from each other and nothing spoils a legions day than being isolated in an area when a black hole is opened up.
 

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I think the main things here it wouldn't be just the dark eldar. If it was a full blown extermination I sincerely believe the Craftworlds would get involved and not just them but the Harlequins as well. Now they are facing 3 "worlds" military.
I actually hadn't considered this. I'm not so sure craftworlders or exodites wold get involved, but the Harlequins certainly would. I suppose it is quite possible that the Harlequins might pressure other sects of the eldar into lending an assist.
 

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I actually hadn't considered this. I'm not so sure craftworlders or exodites wold get involved, but the Harlequins certainly would. I suppose it is quite possible that the Harlequins might pressure other sects of the eldar into lending an assist.
As much as the DE and CWE don't get along they both share a common cause of "Survival" - the DE would not (imo) ask for help but as you said, Harlies would and the CWE no better than to refuse a Harlequin.

Exodites however, I don't believe they would what so ever, I think of them as Imperial PDF. Not really equipped to fight and tend to be the fluff whipping boy (along side Avatars).
 

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The concentrated force of an entire legion is a force which can end entire species and civilizations. (As per Forgeworld's Heresy books).

So yes, a legion with all its assets and personnel could eliminate Commarragh.
 

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The concentrated force of an entire legion is a force which can end entire species and civilizations.
Not all civilizations are made equal, though. Modern Earth's military doesn't hold a candle to what the Dark Eldar could bring to bear.

That being said, I think the Legion and Primarch would crush the Dark Eldar.
 

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You also need to remember that the time frame is way different. Commorragh would not be nearly as established and entrenched as it is now back when a Legion and it's Primarch would have assaulted it. This assault would be taking place right as it was starting to grow, the other Eldar sects would not find it so vital to defend because it would not be so large and hold so many of their species.

However, if a Legion were to assault modern Commorragh, I do not think it would succeed. Commorragh, under the leadership of Vect, is one tough cookie. If a Chaos invasion, Mandrake uprising, and Archon civil war happening all within the same couple weeks cannot bring Vect or the city down then nothing can. I am certain of it.

After reading the recent DE books by Andy Chambers I am convinced that the Harlequins would get involved and convince the Craftworlds to join in. Despite their differences, Craftworld Eldar still view the Commorragh Eldar as their own species, and it is well known that the Eldar would kill millions of humans to save but a few dozen of their own kind. They would not hesitate to intervene, in my opinion.
 

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Assuming this is against Modern Commorragh like Berzerker said, I would assume that neither side would win.

If you took all of Commorragh's population and the SM legion and plopped them down on a random planet. SM would surely win.

But Commorragh is a very twisted, dark place, filled with all kinds of entrances, exits and things that go bump in the night.

Both sides would end up taking incredible loses, but I don't think either side would come out as a victor.
 

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A single chapter wiped out several lineages of Dark Eldar nobility and caused untold damage that still lingers in present day Commoragh (albeit Vect probably helped them from the shadows).

An entire legion would annihilate it completely entrenched or not.
 

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A single chapter wiped out several lineages of Dark Eldar nobility and caused untold damage that still lingers in present day Commoragh (albeit Vect probably helped them from the shadows).

An entire legion would annihilate it completely entrenched or not.
And not even the whole chapter. Wasn't that just, like, a hundred marines?
 

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In a so-called "pitched battle", I think there is little doubt that a full Legion (led by a Primarch) would triumph.

However, in an invasion of Commorragh, the advantage is played into the Dark Eldar's hands. The dimensions of the Dark City are described as:

Codex: Dark Eldar said:
In the depths of the web way lies Commorragh, the lair of the Dark Eldar; called the Dark City by those who fear to speak its name. Commorragh is no mere metropolis, for it is to the largest of Imperial Hives as a soaring mountain is to a mound of termites. Its dimensions would be considered impossible if they could be read by conventional means. If anything, Commorragh is more like a vast collection of satellite realms and cities linked by uncounted portals and hidden pathways. Viewed from one perspective, Commorragh is a loose collection of far flung nodes spread throughout the arteries of the web way like a malevolent virus. Its clustered concentrations are in reality scattered across the galaxy, thousands of light-years apart in places. Yet these locations are linked together by shimmering dimensional short-cuts. From within the web way’s confines, the immense distances between each sub-realm can be crossed with a single step. Commorragh appears within the web way as a composite entity of impossible scale, a shimmering, contradictory realm the dimensions of which pluck at the sanity of those who approach it. Thousands of ships dock each day within its out flung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their Craftworld kin suspect.
Any full-scale invasion would require the ability to outmanoeuvre and out-think the leaders of the Dark City. It seems quite a simple process for Vect (or other Archons) to seal (or otherwise hide) the interconnecting "portals and hidden pathways" that necessitate travel between areas of the Dark City. Combine that with the knowledge that the Dark Kin hold concerning the webway itself would put the Space Marine Legion at a distinct disadvantage, perhaps even completely unable to access the Dark City. In many ways Commorragh is unconquerable.

However, as someone else has already pointed out, if we're talking about a hypothetical invasion occurring during the Great Crusade (when Commorragh was not as developed) the advantage would be less clear.

And not even the whole chapter. Wasn't that just, like, a hundred marines?
It should be noted that the invasion was facilitated by Vect with the express intention of wiping out (or dethroning) the ancient noble houses. Everything they achieved is thus likely down to Vect.
 

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The Pathnovels make it clear that Commoraugh itself is the " scariest environment imaginable". (Thanks Owen Wilson). I think a whole legion, stuck in the webway without it's starships and support, in a place that opens into Deamon Worlds when you cross the street wrong wouldn't be conquerable at all.
 

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It technically would be possible to conquer the city, but would require both immense amounts of force and an immense amount of knowledge about the Webway. In Path of the Archon, if Yllithian had the power of a Legion behind his back, he likely would have overthrown Vect due to his knowledge of the city. He had the knowledge just not the power, a Legion would have the power, just not the knowledge. Unless the Emperor was leading them.

Now, that's interesting in and of itself. Had the Heresy never happened, and the Emperor established strong connections to the web way and was in the process of cleansing it for Imperial use, he could lead a legion or two to victory. He would have the knowledge and power.
 

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So the dark eldars have the home field advantages . I imagine there be heavy damage on both sides but I think the legions have the advantage with the battle barges and battle ships. I mean if there was a path way to Commoragh why not just bomb the place like crazy and get out the same pathway?

When it comes to weapons and armour? I think the space marines have the advantage compared to the dark eldars. Correct me if I;m wrong.
 

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Im sure the Legion would wipe out Commorragh but im also sure that Vect or another high up Archon would have a plan in place so that it ends in a lose lose situation for both sides, as a few of the smarter DE flee in to the Webway.
 
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