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Well, how? I know about geneseed, sucessor chapters, 'foundings' (like the 2nd, 18th, 367th,etc) and all that, but is it done? Where does the armour, weapons, spacecraft and so on come from? How is a homeworld chosen? Where do the new recruits come from? How is a new chapter master decided? Is the chapter composed primarily of scouts for a while, or are Marines drafted from other chapters to train the new one? Who is it that comissions new chapters to be created? Has, in fact, Games Workshop ever written on the subject, or have they just left it to the imagination of the humble hobbyist?
I know this is a big question, but it's been bugging me for a while now. Any answers would be appreicated.

Oh, and can a Chapter Master be a Psyker, or is the highest level a Psyker can reach Cheif Librarian?
 

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They've not gone into alot of detail about how a founding occurs. Sometimes a chapter can be formed from a chapter spliting up which in t he case of the first founding is exactly what happened., for example black templars were made from the orbital assault companies of the imperial fists and lead by the first emperors champion sigismund while the crimson fists were made from the newest recruits and companies.

The latest foundings however have never been explained for example how did the cursed founding come about. I personally believe the first company (or more) is made up from an exsisting chapter, then find a world which its inhabitants are adequate to build the rest of the chapter around. Sometimes colours are passed on (i think theres an example where the mantis warriors received someone wiped out chapters colours and chapter number)

The creation of new chapters are only used if there is a need to guard or crusade in an area. Like the way loads of chapters sprung up around the eye of terror (Astral claws being one) or the amount of dark angels sucessor chapters that continue to be churned out. Theres probably a level at which a chapter much create a new founding if they get to many men this is the origin behind the breaking of the first legions.

I'm not sure about a chapter master libarian, it goes against the codex so i doubt many chapters do have one as there CM blood ravens being an example of the extremes a chapter can do with the amount of librarians in their ranks.

The need for new chapters can be ordered at two levels i think, from the Council on Terra or a Chapter who feels it needs to create on for a purpose (dark angels again are a good example)
 

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Excerpted from the B&C:

FAQ - How are New Chapters Founded?

This comes up periodically, and while GW has been unclear on the subject, this particular theory has gained acceptance on Liber as logically being a good explaination. The first three points are GW canon, and inviolate, with the rest being the favoured way to explain the known facts. The High Lords may have done things differently over the last ten thousand years, but this should give a template to work from.



1. The High Lords of Terra, speaking for the Emperor decree a new Founding of Adeptus Astartes Chapters. There is great jubilation and much quaffing.

2. The Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars selects geneseed from the tithed stocks, say from the Ultramarines / Roboute Guilliman gene-line, although as there are only nine First Founding Chapters out of the thousand possible, it is most likely that the geneseed selected will actually be from a successor Chapter.

3. The Adeptus Mechanicus cultures some more geneseed from the original sample selected using mindwiped subjects floating in big glassteel tanks. They would also supply some equipment (Rhinos, ships, armour) to get them started, with the rest expected to be produced by the new Chapter's Forges, or requisitioned like every other Chapter does.

4. A small cadre of experienced marines from the chapter that supplied the geneseed is given the honour / responsibility of training the initiates from the fledgeling chapter. This would ensure that they follow (broadly) in the footsteps of their parent chapter from a doctrinal and philosophical point of view, although there is still the potential for deviations... children never turn out exactly like their parents.


5. The cadre could be made up of a captain from the parent chapter to be the first Chapter Master, along with experienced marines to become the training scout sergeants, and eventually marine squad sergeants and captains. There would also be specialists like a Chaplain, Techmarines, Apothecaries and Librarians to get the chapter going and train up a new generation from among the initiates.

6. This would number between 20-40 marines, and there is no way that the First Founding chapters could do this for multiple (up to 20 at a time) successors. Again this supports the idea that later Founding Chapters would have to have a hand in founding the new Chapters, so while two thirds of Chapters are from the Guilliman geneline, the actual geneseed and initial cadre of Marines might have come from the Mortifactors, Black Consuls, Eagle Warriors or any other Chapter with Guilliman geneseed as well as directly from the Ultramarines themselves. For ease of explaination GW (and the Administratum) may call all of them with the Guilliman geneline 'Ultramarines successors', and there is always the chance of snobbery existing, with a chapter wanting to call itself an Ultramarines successor when technically it is the successor of a 25th Founding Guilliman Chapter that no-one has ever heard of.


7. The Chapter will recruit and grow in numbers until after many decades it reaches the full compliment. It will participate in battles and campaigns as it's numbers allow, perhaps fighting alongside other Chapters until it has sufficient numbers to conduct independant actions. Remember that a Chapter will rarely send its whole compliment of ten companies to war other than in the most dire of circumstances, so squad and company level actions are common and will be possible quite early in the Chapter's history.

8. The initial cadre of marines may return to their parent chapter once they have got the new Chapter running - they may always be Crimson Fists at heart. Alternatively they may elect to stay. Going back to being a Captain after having been a Chapter Master might not appeal to many. It could depend if the secondment was temporary, or of a more permanent nature.
 

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What thing with the blood? Sorry, I've never read Warriors of Ultramar.

Are the Mortifactors Codex or not? Thanks for mentioning it, though, cccp. At least I know it can happen.
 

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Tbh no chapters are 100% codex only the ultramarines and most of their genuine successors are. I would think a Chapter master with librarian powers wouldn't be looked upon very well but its possible, i guess those who know what happened in the heresy would be entirely against them.
 

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Totally true.
The use of Librarians is frowned upon and the Inquisition tends to pay more attention to those chapters as well (though even they tend to walk softly around the issue...a whole chapter of super-humans, armed to the teeth is not something you want to push over the edge and turn rogue).

The Codex is everything to the Ultramarines (and some of their successors) but really "more of a guideline" to most, and simply tossed out by some (usually first founding chapters who really give a crap what Guilliman says, their own Primarch set their standards).
 

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What thing with the blood? Sorry, I've never read Warriors of Ultramar.

Are the Mortifactors Codex or not? Thanks for mentioning it, though, cccp. At least I know it can happen.
i think, iirc that he could drink someones blood and from that go into a trance and tell things from it. its been a long time since i read it.

theyre not strictly codex, but they are more or less. more of a guideline than canon. theyre an ultramarine successor chapter though...so i assume theres some codex in them.
 

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i think, iirc that he could drink someones blood and from that go into a trance and tell things from it. its been a long time since i read it.

theyre not strictly codex, but they are more or less. more of a guideline than canon. theyre an ultramarine successor chapter though...so i assume theres some codex in them.
All space marines can do that, if they eat flesh or something they can gain memories and stuff. The Soul Drinkers went one further though since they gained emotions etc from them to, which caused them to be highly dangerous.
 

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Thanks to the omophagea gland I believe. Standard issue Astartes gland. In Brothers of the Snake it's mentioned. Soul Drinkers are unique, as are all the Blood Angel spinoffs. I think it's a cool power but it's rarely discussed in fluff I believe.

The Dark Talons are going to have something regarding it I believe, linked to the claw/ gauntlet-thing.
 

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ya ive read that a couple of times, it is very helpful
 

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I think that the Leader of the Chapter could have pyshic powers but he wouldn't be known as the "Chapter Master" but rather as something else. Its kind of like the Iron Hands sort of have Techmarines as their Captains etc.

Nice run down on the process Elchimpster.
 

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I just read that article. Acid spit! COOOOOOL!!!!!:mrgreen::biggrin::mrgreen:
 
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