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£90 for the special edition though that seems to be being released a month earlier than the normal one from 1 rumour. Looks like xmas gouging to me.
 

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I'd agree with that, trying to cash in on the Heresy series around xmas just makes sense from FW's perspective. It'll come in around the same price as the other books when they bring out the standard edition.
 

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Either way it sorted an xmas prezzy for a friend... £100.80 inc delivery.
Hopefully next stop book 5 and Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Spacewolves, Ultramarines & Thousand Sons... though likely chance is with Sisters and the Custodians still to come the 5 missing legions will be spread over 2 or more books. Espesially as they will require updating the current legions to be post isstvan stuff. Though that will likey be minor tweeks like x now has hatred vs y because of what happened. Also maybe a few new options for weapons and stuff.
 

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Either way it sorted an xmas prezzy for a friend... £100.80 inc delivery.
Hopefully next stop book 5 and Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Spacewolves, Ultramarines & Thousand Sons... though likely chance is with Sisters and the Custodians still to come the 5 missing legions will be spread over 2 or more books. Espesially as they will require updating the current legions to be post isstvan stuff. Though that will likey be minor tweeks like x now has hatred vs y because of what happened. Also maybe a few new options for weapons and stuff.
Why does everyone seem to forget White Scars? :cray:
 

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Thought they were out... makes the chaosy side even more overwhelming i guess with 8 of 9 out now and imperial only having 4 then i guess... ravens, fists, sallys and hands.
Lets just hope that like GW are well known for the arms race won't make the loyalists better than the heretics only because they were brought out later.
 

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Lets just hope that like GW are well known for the arms race won't make the loyalists better than the heretics only because they were brought out later.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...have you not seen the Imperial Fist's and Iron Hands' Legion tactics?

I'd bet my balls that the loyalist with be better. As the series becomes more popular with more of the legions coming out we will definitely see more of this fuckery mark my words.
 

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I'd bet my balls that the loyalist with be better. As the series becomes more popular with more of the legions coming out we will definitely see more of this fuckery mark my words.
Yeah - comparing Iron Hands and Emperor's Children is one of the things you can shut the 'Horus Heresy is super-balanced, 40k is fucking shite - damn Taudar' players up with every time.
 

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I'd still say that it is more balanced than 40k, but it is getting worse. Book 1, everything was pretty balanced and had good roots in the fluff, and it did help when they edited the Emperor's Children to give us a buff in the challenges we have to accept.

Book 2 was still pretty balanced. Iron hands were the worse, but their -1S to shooting weapons came at the cost of never being able to go to ground and losing some option in terms of FOC.

Book 3 would only have been marginally worse if it weren't for the imperial fists. +1BS to all bolt weapons, stubborn behind cover and a buff in challenges, plus the only character in the whole series to get eternal warrior even though he dies before most of the traitors. That's the point I think Forge World lost the plot slightly, and gave the only non-shattered legion a ridiculous set of legion rules. And since all the remaining legions, bar the thousand sons, are loyalist, you can bet your ass they'll make them ridiculous too. Or that's my cynical approach. Hopefully they'll reign it in and the Imperial Fist player can just be the ones no one likes.
 

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As said before... we can only hope they don't continue the arms race :p or maybe that the arms race will end with Thousand Sons :p
 

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Bolt Weapons don't matter in 30K - 40K yes, 30K, not so much. It results in about 1 extra kill per turn, and at Bolt Weapon range, that's about 2-3 a game. It's the Shieldwall issues. Got to admit, I missed the bit about Eternal Warrior - maybe that will be fixed however, considering that the Traitors now have Chaos empowered rules to back them up.

Plus, the rules were never that balanced.

And if you're having trouble as Emperor's Children, you do have 9 automatically appearing contemptor dreadnoughts. Spare a thought for Sons of Horus (at least Night Lords get access to at-Initiative rending and Night Fighting). And in regards to broken, Iron Warriors - 4 Heavy Support choices is pretty fucking brutal. As is objective secured heavy weapon squads with Shred Heavy Flamers. Or all outflanking Alpha Legion, with access to things like Gal Vorbak.

And if you want really broken, play against Mechanicum.

There have always been stand out choices - Flare Shield/Ceramite Spartans, Terminator Troops, Contemptors, Typhons, etc. The individual rules of the armies didn't make up for it - the slight nuances between the different legions in Book 1 were not that strong - hell, look at the rage against Firedrakes and Vulkan. Now, nothing to be seen.

The same choices in any list is going to be equally strong. It's just what you want more out of. The only trick is that the thematically CC armies are gimped, and that they have to jump through hoops to get the benefits of their legion rules. But the legion list is the same.

People who say otherwise don't play at high enough points levels. The game has never been balanced to play at low points levels, hence the points tax on Rites of War, and points tax on Minimum unit size. What kills marines still kills marines - namely, Terminators, Contemptors, Typhons and a few things on the side. The one thing gimping some armies is compulsory moves - EC challenges, for example. That can be fixed easily. Don't take expensive units, and don't get in combat (because this is 7th edition, shooting is king).

The difference between higher tier armies is much lower. High level games essentially boil down to who can rock paper scissors the enemy rock paper scissors first, then turn on the points tax units. Exactly like 40K. It's not more balanced, but its less imbalanced. The lowest end of the spectrum is still more than capable of fighting against other legions. Struggling with your Bolter hordes against Iron Hands? No shit. That's because you're firing Bolters against Marines, when you've got 3 S7 AP2 Blasts on an AV13 wall, or S5 AP5 Pinning, or Fire Raptors, or Contemptors, etc etc.



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