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Oh boy...any chance you can elaborate on how (either in Spoiler tab or PM)? I'm wondering if this could be what finally tips me into traitor Emperor's Children...
 

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I'm really hyped for this book and I won't be spoiling myself for a change so this is the last time I visit this thread until I've read it. I was wondering what it meant by their encounter with the EC as they did not appear in Scars. However it seems like they feature in this post-Angel Exterminatus. Fun to see Eidolon again after his decapitation (despite it was a dick-move to bring him back) also some more new character and their interaction against the White Scars.

Also I see a connection with The Sigillite-audio drama even though that is some of his lesser good work.

Edit: Also if you want to post spoilers, just use the spoiler-tags here which will hide the text unless you click the button.
 

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Just finished the ebook.

Definitely one of the best HH books in recent memory for me. I can't rank all 36 since I haven't read the earlier ones in years. Looking at just book 20 (Primarchs) and up...I would say only Betrayer and Scars would be comparable in quality, in my humble opinion.

There are quite a few plot lines at the beginning but they converge nicely near the middle of the book.
 

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This was a good book. There was a heck of a lot going on, but it was all resolved satisfactorily. A small bit of course-correction for some things as well. Maybe one slightly superfluous plot element, but it did give some screen time that some people will probably appreciate. I think fans of most of the legions represented will be happy enough with what goes on.
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I skimmed a lot of the generic fighting tbh, sometimes the scale of legion combats can be a bit wearing; yeah, you have to show loads of guys and things fighting and blowing up because of the setting, but I personally find that slightly tedious with a new book when you just want to get to the character moments in those battles. Sure I will appreciate it on re-reads. And there are cool bits in the fighting, it's not bolter-slog, I should hasten to add.

But it's a character and plot-movement book. Central to the wider story, this.
 

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This was a good book. There was a heck of a lot going on, but it was all resolved satisfactorily. A small bit of course-correction for some things as well. Maybe one slightly superfluous plot element, but it did give some screen time that some people will probably appreciate. I think fans of most of the legions represented will be happy enough with what goes on.
I need more of my man
, stat.

I skimmed a lot of the generic fighting tbh, sometimes the scale of legion combats can be a bit wearing; yeah, you have to show loads of guys and things fighting and blowing up because of the setting, but I personally find that slightly tedious with a new book when you just want to get to the character moments in those battles. Sure I will appreciate it on re-reads. And there are cool bits in the fighting, it's not bolter-slog, I should hasten to add.

But it's a character and plot-movement book. Central to the wider story, this.

The action, fleet movements etc. are dense in this one

Not gratuitous but potentially confusing at times. I prefer character moments
 

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Anyone who doesn't agree that the Khan's fight against...



...is totally badass...well, you're just WRONG.

I have always enjoyed reading about most of the Primarchs, but after reading this novel, the Khan has taken first prize in being awesome.



Scars is one of the best legion-building HH novels...perhaps not one of the best character-building novels. I think Yesugai has a lot of room for further development.

That said, I think Qin Xa definitely deserves some more development. He's mentioned as the #1 fighter of his legion (even though Jubal seems to be more well-known outside his legion). We didn't get to see his personality in Scars
This is part of a conversation we had in another thread. Well...need I say more? :-(
 

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I thought it was a great read and worthy sequel to Scars. My only problem is that not many of the characters get a lot of room to be fleshed out, like for instance the master of Keshig is killed in the first scene he appears in and he was a big character in the previous story. Overall a lot seems to have happened between those novels were several characters are killed off off-screen as well. Bringing back Mortarion was both good and bad, as it felt like a repeat of the previous novel up until the moment when the Khan chooses not to fight him, which I felt was nice departuere. Mortarion was fleshed out more though, particularly in his scene with another certain Primarch. His motivations and driving force was spelled out unlike before.

The characters which stole the show was definitely the EC-characters. I listened to Soul, Severed not long after finishing the novel and I felt it was a shame that Chris Wraight didn't get to write a novella following that of The Path of Heaven where there is fighting of who is to control the Legion following that of Fulgrims ascension. It would have been much better than a short audio drama.

But now the Scars are on Terra as they should be, so the novel served it's purpose. Now we only await the BA and we're ready for the Siege.
 
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