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Watched your tut metalhandkerchief
And I'm still not 100% sold on ease of PC building
How much do you guys think I'll save with self building over prebuilt?
After all, money has a rather exquisite way of talking don't you think?
 

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And cypher, when I tried to piece together the awesome PC that you designed, some of the componants weren't there, or rather I couldn't find them
Such as the case off the top of my head
I have just been back through the build Kiro and I found all the components I mentioned. The case is actually the first one in the list mate.

If there is a scroll bar on the section you are currently choosing items from make sure you scroll down to see what other components are there. The speakers section also has the mouse and keyboards on it. The power supply section has the fans on it etc etc.

To be honest with you, the savings you will make by building a pc yourself are fairly negligible. If your not really into building pc's and have even the slightest doubt leave it to the professionals...you will get a system that is ready to go, thoroughly tested and still relatively cheap without the worry.

The only thing I would add to the build, (and I completely forgot about it) is a good AV package. In my professional opinion stay away from both Symantec/Norton and McAfee products...they install a lot of crap that slows a pc down.

My recommendation would be F-Secure Internet Security 2014 - I use it myself, its simple and effective, cheap AND you can try it free for 30 days. :good:
 

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Okay, I might of missed it as I'm on my iPod
And how much would the AV be?
And I'll certainly get it prebuilt as it looks simple in a compacted way if it makes sense?
Like I can see if you get that goes there, it'll be easy, but I don't know that that goes there, so I think it'll be pretty hard
And one thing I don't understand is what 'overclocking' is, is it just using it for prolonged amounts of time? Or something speacial?
 

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Follow the linky mate...F-secure is currently £26.95 for a year for a single pc...you just download it once you have paid for it.

Overclocking is a bit of a 'black-art'. Essentially, any computer (be it an iPad, PC, Xbox whatever) pushes voltage around its mainboard in cycles. The voltage is either on or off to represent a bits status...one or zero...binary, the basics of any computing. The more cycles you can complete in any given amount of time the more work can be done.

Cycles are measured in hertz (so 1 Megahertz is 1 million cycles per second, 1 Gigahertz is 1 billion cycles per second). The Intel i3 4130 3.4GHz specced on your pc build is therefore running at 3.4 billion hertz per second...this is why you need a cooler sitting on it with thermal paste to aid the heat transfer...without it your pc would constantly shut down to prevent the processor turning itself into a molten heap :laugh:

Both the processor and the memory have to match up the cycles used and to do this they have a little heartbeat called the clock...kind of like a metronome, it allows the timing of the cycles to synchronize.

Overclocking basically allows you to tweek the clock cycles to make the processor and memory speed up and therefore increase the speed and efficiency of the system. There is a down-side to this though. Pushing the processor, memory and mainboard beyond their limits causes heat and stress...finely tuning the system to get the best performance without frying everything is the 'art' I mentioned. :)

Personally, I have never bothered with it - it leads to a whole sub-genre of pc modding and cooling. I can play MW3 quite happily on my screaming death machine without tweeking a thing :grin:
 

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Oh, ok
And I didn't realise that was a link, my bad
I could probs afford that too
I can't think of any further problems, until I go to buy it that is!
I'll get on that ASAP though once I have the all clear
 

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Just to be a dick, buy things have changed again, and do you guys think I could get a decent PC, that'll handle most RTS games, and maybe things like warthunder for £400?
No biggy if I can't, I'll just have to wait a big longer, or beg harder. However I have a reputation to upkeep, and beggings not the coolest thing ever =D
 

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I'd agree with cypher - whilst building is cheaper, more flexible and worthwhile, it won't save you tons of money. Also if a part gets delivered faulty it can be a pain in the ass to work out where the fault is, even for someone with experience.

As for the £400 budget, i think you might struggle to get everything including a decent sized monitor for that. You could try second hand - Ebay is occasionally good for local 'pickup only' deals if you know what to look for, but it can also be a bit of a gamble.
 

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Ebayed it, and wondered if any of these were any good, cos I do t know what I need
 

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Just be very careful if you decide to go for something from ebay. Do your homework, make sure whoever you buy from has good reputation and read other customers comments.

The other thing to note is read everything very carefully. For example, the pc's from ViBox and The PC Customiser DO NOT include an operating system so you will need to add that into your calculations. Also check on what kind of warranty they come with...
 

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Just to resurrect this but I just went to order your thing cypher (I'm slow) and they only have AMD processors now, so what should I get?
Plus it's only £525.01 now, so have I done something wrong or what?
 

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Hi Kiro, click here then chose 'Custom Gaming PC's' and then click on the 'Eclipse Eco Gamer Series System (Intel)'...on my browser it's the first option on the second row. Choose your components as per the first page where I advised on the components but check prices...some things may have gone up or down.

If you can wait till the 29th of November I would order your stuff on that day...it's known as 'Black Friday' it is something that started in the US but is prevalent in the UK now...basically good discounts on electrical goods online.

Good luck.

Cy
 

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Ok thanks, must just be me clicking on the wrong option, guess I look like a right man on the web now, only looking at what I see first :blush:
Thanks!

EDIT: also, noob question, butt could this run photoshop as well, or any equvialant software?
And should I make any 'upgrades' on components if it comes under?
 

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Ok thanks, must just be me clicking on the wrong option, guess I look like a right man on the web now, only looking at what I see first :blush:
Thanks!

EDIT: also, noob question, butt could this run photoshop as well, or any equvialant software?
And should I make any 'upgrades' on components if it comes under?
Not a noob question mate. The main thing you need for Photoshop is lots of memory...the more the better...as a base level I would put 8GB in don't bother with 4GB, there's only £12 difference.

I have 24GB on my Photoshop pc, HOWEVER, memory is dependant on the version of the operating system you intend to use.

Any operating system that is 32bit will only be able to use about 3.5GB of memory, regardless of how much you physically install so you will need a 64bit version. Personally I use Windows 7 Professional (I hate Windows 8 :puke:). Use Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit or either of the Windows 8.1 versions if you like Windows 8.

As to upgrades if your costs come under, that is purely personal choice. A better CPU will give you better overall performance but a better graphics card will allow you to play more demanding games at higher resolutions and frame rates. Incidentally, Photoshop does not rely on an ass-kicking graphics card...like I said, it likes memory :good:
 

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i was mainly after what i should upgrade, such would a hard drive beat a mother board or ehats best basically
and to run photoshop on this, what would i need to change?

aldi, my mum wants exactish savings from black friday, she thinks its a con
 
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