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Okay, these are turbulent times and I'm now allowed a desk top
However, I don't understand the techno jargon of processors and i5s and sheep, so could someone help me find the conponants for a pc, from scratch, which can run games like shogan 2 and minecraft well, as well as the odd bit of low-intensity work
For roughly £600, as little over as possible
If you understood the above, the help would be appreiciated
And that's pounds, as in British guys!
 

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Okay, these are turbulent times and I'm now allowed a desk top
However, I don't understand the techno jargon of processors and i5s and sheep, so could someone help me find the conponants for a pc, from scratch, which can run games like shogan 2 and minecraft well, as well as the odd bit of low-intensity work
For roughly £600, as little over as possible
If you understood the above, the help would be appreiciated
And that's pounds, as in British guys!
I can probably point you in the right direction. Do you need anything else aside from the base unit out of your £600? (monitor/keyboard/mouse etc)


For gaming you want to spend at least 1/4 of your budget on a GFX card, and you should be looking at 8gb of ram and a quad core processor. Don't scrimp on your power supply either - 600W means a lot of different things depending on who it's made by.

Toms Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/) runs an awesome quarterly article where they build a PC for a range of budgets. A look through there should give you a good starting point.

Give me a shout if you have any questions.
 

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I need everything basically, I have nothing but a plug to put it in, but the actual desk is on a different budget =D
So monitor, mouse I guess, whatever
EDIT- Ive searched this on the Internet, and found only reams of garbage, and didn't know what was relevant and what wasn't, so I came here
 

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I need everything basically, I have nothing but a plug to put it in, but the actual desk is on a different budget =D
So monitor, mouse I guess, whatever
EDIT- Ive searched this on the Internet, and found only reams of garbage, and didn't know what was relevant and what wasn't, so I came here
Did you check out the site i mentioned?

Putting the parts of a pc together is pretty simple, but getting the most out of your money does require you to read up and find out what the jargon means. For example a £90 processor will sometimes perform better than a £200 processor depending on what you are doing with your PC. If i'm assembling a new build i usually spend 2-3 weeks reading up on parts and looking at benchmark tests.

I can give you a list of parts, but it might not be the best value for money at the moment. If you're intent on building it yourself you should really put the effort in and research it.

Alternatively there are lots of good UK retailers who will pre-assemble a base unit for a good price. They also offer good deals on an operating system, which will save you some money over buying a retail version.

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/?gclid=CMb3k7LtnroCFbQetAodTVcAfA

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=43&catid=2475
 

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Kiro, I can help you, being a techno nerd is my job and my hobby...I have built every pc I have ever owned. :)

You will need the following components (explained in a none techy way):

Case - the boxy thing everything sits in.

Motherboard - sits in the case and everything plugs into it.

CPU - I would recommend the fastest you can afford, it is after all the brain that runs everything.

CPU Cooler - All that work makes the processor hot so you need to strap a radiator and fan to it to keep it cool.

Memory - more is better (to a point) - it allows the computer to perform multiple functions at the same time. Think of it like something to write on. If you only have 1 Gigabyte its like writing on a small sticky-note. If you have 6 Gigabytes its like writing on an A4 notepad allowing you to write more before turning the page.

Graphics Card - depending on the type of games you want to run there are a huge variety of cards to choose from. If you want to run higher end games you need a good card with its own memory.

Power Supply Unit - The PSU is important, it needs to have enough juice to push everything along but not make your electric meter spin like a top.. It also needs to be able to support higher end graphics cards that require their own power connection from the PSU.

Hard Drive - This is what stores all your data and allows you to install your Operating System, games and applications.

Optical Drive - plain old DVD, recordable DVD, Blu-Ray...pick your poison. Whatever you choose it's the bit that allows you to load your software from a CD or DVD disk.

Operating System - Windows 8 is the prevalent OS now - personally I hate it - I use Windows 7 Professional.

Anti-Virus / Internet Security - once you have your shiny new system protect it from Internet gribblies and hackers with this - don't use shite freebies like AVG!!!

If you have no experience of building a system (and by your own admission you don't) I would strongly advise getting a pre-built system where you specify your components but let the supplier put it all together and test it for you. That way you just have to install your applications and games.

I will see what I can find for you and post it up :)
 

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Ok Kiro, I can recommend a company called Eclipse Computers. I have only ever bought components from them but have never had any problems.

For the novice computer builder they have a section allowing you to build your own pc.

For your budget I chose the Eco-Gamer Series PC and configured it as below:

Motherboard
Asus H81-M Plus LGA1150,DDR3,7.1Snd,GBLan,mATX £40.50

Processor
Intel i3 4130 3.4GHz LGA1150 Processor - Retail £83.95

Memory
4Gb (2X2Gb) Dual Channel DDR3 1333Mhz Memory £27.80

Graphics Card
2Gb nVidia GeForce GT 640 PCI-e VGA Card £54.01

Network Card
Onboard

Optical Drive
Samsung SH-224BB 24x DVD+/-R SATA DVD Writer - Black £12.19

SATA Hard Drive
1TB Seagate Barracuda Green 7200rpm SATA3 64Mb HardDrive £41.31

Case
Cooler Master K-Series K350 - USB3.0, ATX Case, No PSU £29.58

Power Supply Units
CoolerMaster GX Series 650W ATX PSU £55.34

Case Cooling - Front
Zalman ZM-F3 120x120x25mm Silent Fan £4.34

Case Cooling - Rear
Zalman ZM-F3 120x120x25mm Silent Fan £4.34

Monitor
18.5 Inch WideScreen TFT Monitor £55.59

Speakers
2 Channel Speakers with Subwoofer and Satelite Speakers £7.40

Desk Manager (Keyboard with Mouse)
Multimedia Keyboard And Optical Mouse Set - Black (USB) £5.61

Operating System
Microsoft Windows 8 - 64 Bit, DVD, OEM £63.75

Warranty
Bronze Eclipse System Warranty (1Year RTB + Premier30) £5.05

This lot will cost you £588.88 plus £14.95 delivery so it just pops your budget by £3.83. Of course you might want different options to those I have specced but I was trying to keep within your budget :)

I would give them a call if you have any questions. I hope this helped you out a bit.

Cheers.

Cy
 

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I'm no expert (only built 2 Desktops in 6 years) but that does look like a nice build, especially for the money. I'd just like to reassure Kiro or anyone thinking of doing something like this, by far and above the hardest part is settling on which components to buy and use. The actual building and putting together is genuinely a matter of common sense, find a good set of instructions and 99% of the construction only takes a small screwdriver and the 1% left over is only applying thermal paste, an easy task for anyone on this forum!
 

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I think the build cypher recommended is a great shout, it would easily run Minecraft and Shogun 2. If you're not too bothered about building it yourself i'd go with that :)

If you do have the time to read some guides though, building your own PC is fun and rewarding, and a bit of tech knowledge always comes in handy if you have a breakdown. There are few greater pleasures than flashing up a new hand built rig for the first time :grin:
 

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That sounds good cypher, I guess I could build it myself if it saves a substantial amount of cash
And could that build run a minecraft mod such as FTB or tekkie? My bros a minecraft nerd
And I'm sure I can find £4 somewhere =D
 

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Minecraft would run on a toaster. But i all seriousness, the rig Cypher put up is very similar to the one i just replaced and it ran minecraft and all the mod just fine.
 

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pc specialist have some really good 'base units' which you can then customise, i got my base from there and added components myself. Theyre good at customer service as well if you need help. You can even email them with requirements and budget and theyll come up with a few options.
 

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Havnt I already got somebody else to build my PC
And they seem easy to build from what you guys tell me, so I guess I'll give it a go, it just sounds daunting I guess. Although I don't like the sound of 'thermal paste', is it just me does plastic, angry mothers and £600 computer components not mix?

And I had always heard minecraft used as the ultimate test of a PC, so of it runs on a toaster show what I know!
 

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Minecraft is a lot more unstable than most games because Notch is not too great at coding, the vannila game used to run on only 1 core meaning even if you had a beastly pc you would still get things like chunk errors.

I belive the games considered to be most pc intensive would be those used for benchmarks, crysis and battlefield 3 were the two main ones last time i checked.
 

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I would just like to say, I've watched a tutorial on how to build a PC, and I dont like it
I just seems far to fragile, what with having to avoid anykinf of conductive material, keeping your static down, and all that, plus the stakes are too high for me
Whether it's just the tutorial I'm watching (newegg) or that's it, I would rather get it prebuilt unless it saves me a significant amount of money, because the 'I built that' factor just doesn't out weigh the chance of breaking £600 worth of computer!
 

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And cypher, when I tried to piece together the awesome PC that you designed, some of the componants weren't there, or rather I couldn't find them
Such as the case off the top of my head
 

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Dude just get a Commodore 64. They run fine and they can handle pretty much any game that you throw at it. I use it and it works great, runs Path of Exile just fine.
 

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Dude just get a Commodore 64. They run fine and they can handle pretty much any game that you throw at it. I use it and it works great, runs Path of Exile just fine.
Seems legit...

I know building a pc is daunting at first Kito but it is really very simple. Static is not that big a deal, so long as you apply common sense static will not effect you. I built my first pc on carpet without any knowledge of static and it still runs fine to this day.

It is just a case of putting everything in the case then pligging it into the motherboard/psu. It's difficult to make a mistake because most connectors will only plug into one slot.

I bet you £10 (if you have paypal) that if you give it a shot you will be fine.
 

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A quick google search has revealed that the commodor 64 looks like a 20tg century keyboard and box, is that right?!?!
 

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He was joking about the commodore 64.

As for building yourself vs. pre-built, you WILL save a lot by building it yourself and there is no need to fear the building process, my grandma can do it.

Here's the best possible "build a PC" guide available on the tube:


It's a higher cost PC, but the process of building is the same. It really is easy. Like playing with Lego.
 

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Thanks, I guess it's easier than converting, just the stakes are higher =D
 
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