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I have to say im a little bit annoyed at GW at the moment, its a minor thing but i feel it needs saying, As a huge Eldar fan from day one i feel a bit deflated and let down with this weeks releases, First and foremost i have to say im not a jet bike fan, never have been and never likely to be. The original jet bike was an all metal affair and as was the standard back in the day it came with no optional parts, if you wanted variety you picked up alternate sculpts or converted metal, the second incarnation was plastic and like its metal predecessor it came with no optional parts and to make matters worse it didnt even look like the rest of the Eldar army. Anyway fast forward to last week, extremely excited by the fact we were finally going to get the jet bikes we deserved, the prototype we had seen a few years ago and clearly the template had been used for the dark Eldar and then the harliequins.

I have to say i was expecting great things, the dark eldar bikes are exceptional and with the options in the kit its very easy to create very unique and different minis, different heads, torsos, bike hoods and a variety of weapons, the harliequins also have loads of optional masks,heads and weapons etc, we can also look to the ork bike which again has a multitude of options to allow vast variety when modeling, so it wasnt really a great leap to imagine that an army who has so many entries in its codex that use jet bikes to get something quite special for this release, well i have to say looking at the release im extremely disappointed.

For those who haven't looked into this , the situation is as follows , the basic plastic jet bike has been replaced by a basic plastic jet bike, the only real change is the sprue contains all three of the available weapons from the codex and literally nothing else, not even an alternate head?? okay maybe all guardians have the same helmet, but they could have at least shoved in a helmet less head? the bike even hood even has a little removable section that has been been given runes on the Farseer bike, why didnt they give some optional runes for the major craft world? or some different looking fins?
And thats just off the top of my head and i haven't even mentioned the fact that just maybe this kit would have been ideal as a dual kit with the shining spears which im sad to say remain as fine cast, or at the very least they could have squeezed in the Autrach bike rider on to this sprues.

This is the double standard, man other armies enjoy a huge variety of optional extras, these take the form of dual and triple kits or just stuff that can add variety to the model , i think this is important and i think its one of GWs strengths compared to its competitors, here they have totally failed and it happens alot with craftworld Eldar models.

recently we have been treated to some exceptional kits in the form of harlies and ad-mech, these are arguably risky to produce armies, but GW has taken the time and effort to make something truly amazing, loads of optional extras and masses of variety on the sprues, this followed a serious purple patch for warhammer with some magnificent stuff for end times again with loads of variety.

but i see this weekends stuff as a step backwards, clearly the jetbike tool was cut a while ago, it will be interesting to see what its date stamp is, and i feel let down and think GW missed a great chance to release something spectacular.



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Although I can imagine you're disappointed, with the amount of releases being thrown out lately, they are eventually going to disappoint people on some of the models. Seems to me these bikes were done for a while and the sculpters have been hard at work with the ridiculous amount of other kits coming out these days.
 

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I can see how this is particularly disappointing from the perspective of a bitz seller, on a unit expected to move like hotcakes! :p

The Shining Spears minis are certainly looking more and more dated, now. I imagine some folks will convert them from Reavers and the like, but...
 

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I think it is really a profit issue. Why should GW invest more money in kit that is going to sell like crazy anyway. From a consumer stand point I could see wanting different heads and options but from a business point if you know the new codex is going to make the kit sell why add more cost to it and lower the profit?

I feel your pain though I would love the ork buggy to be updated since it was produced back in 1994 and hasn't been upgraded since because it still sells well I'm sure even though the orks with it are the wrong size and the gun with it isn't even an option so you have to convert it anyway GW won't update it because idiots like me want 8 of them in their army so we buy them as is. GW is all about the profit so adding extra sprues and options would lower the profit. Besides people probably have different heads to glue on from other kits or they can buy them online if they want to have different ones.
 

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I think Eldar are hard to make dual kits for, to be honest - all the Aspects are supposed to look different with only some of the legs and torsoes being the same, so unless people want something like Sternguard where you pay £30 for five infantry with a tonne of options that don't fit together very well, they kinda have to be in seperate kits. It'd be great if they were in plastic, but I imagine it's a risky move to spend the money on upgrading them to plastic. Outside of that, there's the tanks (fair enough - wouldn't kill them to put a Firestorm turret in the Falcon/Wave Serpent box I guess), Guardian Defenders/Storm Guardians (in case they're viable for the first time maybe ever) and Jetbikes/Shining Spears (which as you quite rightly said, should be in the same kit), but I can't think of anything else Eldar have that would really work as a dual kit without being expensive as hell for including five sets of arms per dude or what have you.
 

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First let me say my issue isnt from a bitz seller point of veiw it is from a dyed in the wool eldar fan, i accept my army is not the most popular and as such isnt going to demand the time dedicated to say marines , i also realise many of the units are impossible to dual kit, but here with the guardian jet bikes was a very real opportunity to make one with the shining spears .
And really thats the double standard im talking about, other armies are almost 100% plastic or can be fielded as such, they bother to sculpt a plastic autarch but then dont include all his options in the blister? (Unless his options have been removed in the new dex in which case hes fine) and seemingly just when we thought the spectre of fine cast was dead and buried gw repackage the resin aurtach on bike and spears??? And what happened to the craftworld specific codexs that came along with the last eldar codex are they now shit canned ?



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B&K has a huge point. Windriders fall into the same thing as, say Wild Riders for Wood Elves. They could have made a kit with a LOT of options, knowing some pieces would be wasted. The only argument I can think is that since Shining Spears are STILL not an amazing aspect, there's going to be so many lances laying around by the end of the day... but that would have meant easy Autarch conversions, also.

It just means I need to find a bits seller that offers the lance arms. Or wait for some guy in Russia to start printing just lances.
 

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It seems strange they didn't make a dual kit with shining spears. I suppose at a later date they could update the jetbikes kit to include parts for shining spears (like the tyranid warriors kit was updated to add swords and prime parts)

Eldar do seem to get a bad deal as far as models go. A couple of years ago I was interested in doing a fast Eldar army based on plenty of jetbikes, vypers, fire prisms/falcons/wave serpents, swooping hawks and warp spiders, but when I skimmed through their model range I was put off by kits that hadn't been changed since the 90s. Compared with some of the better supported factions it's a bit discouraging; with most units of aspect warriors it isn't even possible to do a unit of five without duplicate poses
 

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I actually already plan on using Zephyrglaives on Skyweavers, so I wouldn't want to reuse the weapons.

I'm using Wild Rider spears for my Jetlocks (I'll be probably using the hQ Skyrunners as my starting point for Autarchs).

I could try converting some High Elf Lances.
 

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At least they release stuff for Eldar on the occasion, and I think the Eldar jet bikes are cool.

However GW could have earned a lot of brownie points in stretching the Eldar stuff for a couple of weeks and included Aspect Warriors such as Howling Banshees etc....
 

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At least they release stuff for Eldar on the occasion, and I think the Eldar jet bikes are cool.

However GW could have earned a lot of brownie points in stretching the Eldar stuff for a couple of weeks and included Aspect Warriors such as Howling Banshees etc....
very true, but i really dont fancy our chances of getting plastic aspects any time soon, if ever, one of the problems GW faces is the apparent requirement to never "squat" anything because of the back lash from the community, the aspect warriors were a huge shot in the arm for the pirate eldar of the early 90s, the aspects ,warlocks and avatar really fleshed out the army, but it was a very very different time and a very different game back then, firstly a 5 man blister pack of eldar in lead was cheap as chips, the game was infantry heavy because only a few vehicles existed. So units who were very different looking and specialised in function were very much okay to produce, its the same with imperial guards men, back in the day they produced loads of very different looking guard units, but now in the days of plastics we are left with pretty much Cadians.
If GW were to produce plastic aspects this would be the 4th time the models have been produced for some of the aspects(banshees,scorpions,fire dragons,reapers) which means there is already a significant amount of old minis in circulations for those aspects, also would there be any point, they dont have variant weapons any longer so anything new would just be the same as the old stuff at least with the jet bikes they had the sense to include a new weapon(if literally nothing else), other units in the army are arguably more capable for the points(im not sure as i have read the new codex but thats what im hearing), the designs are pretty much perfect so you couldnt even expect an improvement in that direction, so im struggling to see what the point would be other than plastic would be a better material and thats really not enough of a reason to start cutting an expensive tool.

realistically the only way forward would be to change the aspects weapons to include other weapons types, so for example reapers could have shuriken cannons, las cannons and missle launchers or something as yet unseen/invented, but by doing that you would effect some other units usefulness or shove them into an expensive board game or better still a starter set. Or a really off the wall idea, put two aspects in one box , and i dont mean a dual kit, i mean put a squad of spiders and a squad of reapers in one box, 10 infantry minis including exarch stuff in one box but its two aspect shrines??


Hey i know more than most that some things in business simply are just not gonna happen, even for a multimillion pound company such as GW they still have to make tough choices based on past sales numbers, its just quite annoying to see stuff released like the blood angel tactical and terminator squad ontop of death company, sanginary guard, furioso dreadnought ,baal preditor and storm raven, these are chapter specific units , and arguably the tactical squad and terminator squad were really not needed and very real plastic alternatives already existed ,yet eldar cant even get plastic aspect warriors.

i have been selling bitz for a while and i have seen a real significant shift away from marines towards xenos and non marine based armies, but the trend has followed a pattern, the more plastic units an army has the more people will buy it, people didnt want metal when plastic came up to scratch and people still have a massive distrust of finecast and resin, if GW want more sales for Eldar then need to invest in plastic and i for one would be happy to see some aspects either combined in a dual kit or even possibly "squated" if it meant others went to plastic(who needs swooping hawks anyway?).



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Could they not ask say Forgeworld for example to produce some alternative sculpts for the aspects as the Shadow Spectres as sexy as hell produced by Forgeworld. They look good, go together well & stand up to being pinned for extra strength the only niggle with them is that the base is huge & fits alot better on a 32mm base rather than the old 25mm
 

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Could they not ask say Forgeworld for example to produce some alternative sculpts for the aspects as the Shadow Spectres as sexy as hell produced by Forgeworld. They look good, go together well & stand up to being pinned for extra strength the only niggle with them is that the base is huge & fits alot better on a 32mm base rather than the old 25mm
well they could, but then again forgeworld seem pretty busy producing things for 30k at the moment at the expense of almost everything else so its highly unlikely,but yes the specters are amazeballs.

but then again even without 30k in the mix, forgeworld were also pretty guilty of favoring marines and imperial armies, Orks and eldar and tau got a little love, dark eldar got almost zero love as did the necrons, Im still shocked that they produced the Phantom.



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I do think it is somewhat of a double standard. They should have released them as a dual kit with Shining Spears. The only reason I can see why they didn't is because the mold is somewhat old. And while yes it's hard to justify giving Aspects plastic when like Bits said their options are somewhat fixed and maybe a slightly different pose not much else would change. However when Imperial Armies are getting plastic when there are plenty of ways to create what they just released its a bit of a pain.

Regarding FW, I think you have no hope, just go on their site and look at the sheer number of Imperial to Xenos stuff. And that was before they went into 30k overdrive.
 

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Well I found out why I think GW did what they did with Eldar.

Previous Eldar Jet Bikes were selling at $55AUD per box, now with the new Eldar Jet Bikes the price went up to $70AUD per box.

Call me cynical.
 
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