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I think it is because they charge so goddamn much for tiny plastic models. Seriously, $35 Canadian for the 3 plastic Apoc templates or for a SINGLE Obliterator?!?!?! I bought a three of mine when they were 18 bucks iirc and had no problem really with that. I wouldn't buy one for 35 though. I would convert my own from an oop terminator or something. And no one will EVER convince me that the Apoc templates are worth 35 bucks either. If GW had the common sense enough to lower prices to a reasonable level, they would be far better off?



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and the rising cost of raw materials. look at the inflation in oil prices, that directly affects plastic prices.
 

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That was part of it. Apocalypse has done wonders for GW though. It's brilliant, really-- they just took some pictures and added about eight pages of rules... but in the process have gotten people spending thousands to get enough stuff to play Apocalypse with.
 

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...and clearing out a years worth of stock in the process.

I think Apocalypse, and the way they are selling things for it is brilliant.

I think that GW is overpriced. Even with the rise in Tin and Oil prices, but it still within the realm of being competitive with other miniatures companies.
 

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Doing everything in their power to cockstomp online stores into bankruptcy hasn't helped their image oe bottomline any. Online discounters are wholesale customers too, and selling at a discount lets people afford to buy into an expensive hobby when they might otherwise not.

If they're not going to price their goods reasonably, they shouldn't be trying to exterminate stores for doing it for them.
 

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Yeah, it's too damn expensive! But at the end of the day, much as we loath to admit it, we are spending these ridiculous amounts of money of our own free will. The prices do annoy me though. I end up just buying stuff off eBay rather than straight of the shelves.
 

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The prices do annoy me though. I end up just buying stuff off eBay rather than straight of the shelves.
by doing this, you realise that you are, indirectly, driving prices up by undercutting GW. support your store. its the only way to support GW as a whole.
 

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to those who are saying the high prices are because of inflation, i'm here to debunk that.


Back in 1987, one could get a box of 30 space marines for 22.99 USD. Since they sell tactical squads in sets of 10 now for 35 USD, 10 marines back then on sprue would virtually have been valued at 7.70 USD. Now, running that through an inflation calculator, starting at 1987, and ending at the 2006 fiscal year, which is the most current one available, we'd only be paying $13.65 USD.

Inflation, my ass.

Sources:

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

http://miniature-art.tripod.com/ultramarinestacticalsquad/index.html


http://store.us.games-workshop.com/...183&orignav=300866&ParentID=254791&GameNav=10
 

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we're not idiots psyker. few things advance directly in proportion with inflation, consider, since 1987, how much GW has expanded.

The costs GW faces are astronomical. Not just floor space, but warehouse and production costs. Remember they have stores in 4 (i think) continents now and a new central hub in the US that cost them millions. Staff costs go up every year, as do rents, GW has to make a profit, its a business. you see from the business report, the very thing this thread is about, that its not a big profit. if we were evil pirates ransacking you for all you were worth, surely we'd turn a massive profit and laugh evilly about it?

GW is trying to make the hobby the best hobby in the world, and this includes offering you the models at the best possible price so that you can enjoy the hobby to its utmost. basically, the prices are not too high, the staff are not arseholes, enjoy the hobby, thats why youre here, its why we work there, heck its why GW is still going, its why GW still has stores.
 

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i know you're not all idiots, i just wanted to debunk the few who are claiming it was due to inflation, and I was bored, so i decided to see how much it actually would be. Additionally, I never claimed that the prices were bs. My argument was solely based around the inflation claim. I agree that there are other reasons, such as the ones you mentioned above, I was just downplaying inflation.
 

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Lets get some perspective:
Urban Mammoth, creators of the Urban War and Metropolis Series of games/ minis.
Here is their catalog for current figs.
http://www.urbanmammoth.com/acatalog
Their figs are allright. Softer metal. Much harder to convert as they don't have the variety of GW. Good example of good quality figs.
Take notice of their prices. These are current prices.

Privateer Press: Hordes, Warmachine, etc.
They don't sell figs online (except special figs and parts.)
Here is a parts page. Very similar to GW's bits in type, and price.
http://store.privateerpress.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=121
Prices for figures are approximately the same as GW. Maybe a bit less.
All Metal, little converting to do. Small line of figs in comparison to GW.
Fair quality of sculpts.

Rackham: Confrontation etc. AT-43.
Here's CCG Armory's sale items.
http://www.ccgarmory.com/at43.html
AT-43 is about the same as 40k/ WFB. Prepainted.
Flexible plastic, hard to convert. Sculpt quality varies as does the paint-job.

Mongoose Publishing -Battlefield Evolution: Modern Warfare.
http://www.ccgarmory.com/unstmaco.html
Bit more expensive than GW. Prepainted plastics. Fair quality sculpts, fair quality painting.

Lets look at Historicals:
Essex: http://www.essexminiatures.co.uk/frames25anc.html
For Normans, you are averaging 1.5GBP per figure. These are 25mm figs, and the quality is ...frankly...crap in comparison to GW or PP, or Rackham. You need a LOT in order to play historicals.

The Foundry: big seller of figs.
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/main.asp
Here's a roman collection as an example:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/IR/1/index.asp
8 figs for $21. All the same, questionable quality sculpts. You can get a force to play with for $147. For the Warhammer Ancients Battle game system this would be a tiny force.

There are tons of sites and miniatures manufacturers. Tons of games.
What's the difference?

GW produces a full-hobby product: figures that are easily modified, customized, and kitbashed. Average to high average prices. Paints, brushes, basing materials, accessories. Cases, everything you can think of to have essentially three hobbies: Collecting, Painting/ Converting and playing a game (which is regularly updated with player input) in a well developed game universe that is so well loved. Books/ novels, comics, video games, ball caps, t-shirts, key-rings, dog tags, pendants, watches, posters. You have a full time staff who is available almost every day to answer stupid questions as well as give advice. Stores all over so people can play in-store, and get advice and congregate.

I think GW is producing more for only marginally more per fig. Producing Much MUCH more.

Inflation is one small part. Commodities play another part (oil and tin). Paying for the GW game support mechanism is a big chunk.

Yes, GW is a company, in business to STAY in business and making money in order to keep making money. I can't fault them for that. What sets it apart is that it is staffed by people who love the product and want to see it succeed by keeping it fun and growing (opposed to stagnating. ).

While I appreciate folks opinions on GW and the expense of their hobby...folks just have to realize that hobbies are expensive in general...designed for disposable income expenditures. While many people may feel GW is a behemoth running rough-shod over the gaming industry, raking in piles of cash...I feel they are a company trying to balance survival with cool products. I've had nothing but positive experiences in dealing with GW in the past, I enjoy their products, their customer service and all the little doo-dads GW produces to keep me hooked on the games.

Cheers!

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