[Arcane]

Or maybe it's not just a PDF. Maybe, just maybe, it's using certain features of iBooks 2. Maybe it has interactive elements and behaves more like an app than like a simple PDF.

Oh wait, that's exactly how it is! It has interactive elements and additional features that a PDF file doesn't offer. In other words, you can't simply port this to Kindle or Android by snapping your fingers. Don't let this get in the way of your sour grapes though :grin:

Or maybe I never said anything about porting it to a Kindle or Android . Maybe, just maybe I don't even have one and don't give two shits about tablets.

Oh wait, I didn't! Actually I was talking about porting it onto a PC since it's not exactly difficult, or at the very least using the resources to port into a similarly functioning flash app or pdf which would funtion on open source. Don't let this get in the way of your clever comments though :grin:

 

[mcmuffin]

Really, they are going digital in 2012? Try fucking 10 years ago when most companies had already gone digital. Properly going digital would mean acknowledging the existence of the online community and possibly interacting with them to get fan feedback and playtesting for new rules sets etc.

 

[boreas]

Really, they are going digital in 2012? Try fucking 10 years ago when most companies had already gone digital. Properly going digital would mean acknowledging the existence of the online community and possibly interacting with them to get fan feedback and playtesting for new rules sets etc.

Heretic. People will tell you the online community is not a good thing. We are all POS whiners because we won't eat the bread GW so nicely puts in our worthless collective mouths... GW knows best... Hail GW.

:laugh:

Phil

 

[falcoso]

I like the idea, cus then they can update errata and add an FAQ section in the back, e.g new codex comes out, instead of having to have the errata, it just updates the copy of the book and puts any FAQs in the back, it would be pretty handy. The only problem with this is if it runs out of power you are pooped. But it still looks cool and practical... if you have an Ipad...

 

[ohiocat110]

About time.

 

[Zetronus]

Hmmmm

I made my own PDF using my scanner, my official copy of the SM Codex (which was £10) and about 3 hours of my time =)

I have it now on my PC and my Android phone and I have my Paper back in the library (see bathroom) for more .... indepth reading when disposed =)

total cost... 3 hours of my time =)

I simply wont support Apple products in anyway, nor will I support any DRM product as it infringes on my statutory rights afforded to me by my country =)

If GW offers a competing product on an Open Platform that is not DRM'd then I would consider its purchase, but it will need to be atleast half the price of a hard-copy

 

[Marneus Calgar]

Trust them to use Apple as the launch platform.

Otherwise, its about time, they have been lagging behind for a while now.

Alice

It's not like the majority of the planet owns an apple device

 

[SGMAlice]

It's not like the majority of the planet owns an apple device

No, and i thank whatever powers that be for that fact.

It is simply that Apple created the first tablet, in todays sense, and has the lions share of the market due to that. This trend is dropping however (Because Samsung Are AWESOME! :biggrin: ) so its likely that Android versions will be released at some point. Along side others.

For now though, people will have to do with waiting for those who buy them and convert them through various means into other formats, for wider consumption.

Yarrgh!

:laugh:

Alice

Disclaimer: I don't pirate material, that was simply for effect...

 

[mcmuffin]

No, and i thank whatever powers that be for that fact.

It is simply that Apple created the first tablet, in todays sense, and has the lions share of the market due to that. This trend is dropping however (Because Samsung Are AWESOME! :biggrin: ) so its likely that Android versions will be released at some point. Along side others.

For now though, people will have to do with waiting for those who buy them and convert them through various means into other formats, for wider consumption.

Exactly as has happened with the Iphone. Iphone came out as the first "next-gen" phone, then samsung and all the other homeboys got their finger out of their arse and made better, reasonably priced devices.

 

[TheKingElessar]

Really, they are going digital in 2012? Try fucking 10 years ago when most companies had already gone digital. Properly going digital would mean acknowledging the existence of the online community and possibly interacting with them to get fan feedback and playtesting for new rules sets etc.

They tried that, their forum rightly closed when it turned into a shitfest.

Also, the majority of players are not exactly top-tier players...if playtesting was open, things like 20-man CSM units might be considered OP.

 

[mcmuffin]

No, i mean have a presence on forums who can interact with the fans, like ADB does to an extent, or like a lot of companies do. as for the playtesting, why not get the proven tournie players to do playtesting and such, because if the game is balanced enough for tournies it will be balanced for all play, because no one can break a codex like a competitive player

but 20 man CSM blobs with lascannons are so good, i mean moving 6" per turn and not shooting your overpriced weapon? OP as fuck.

 

[Turnip86]

20 man CSM blobs should be called the lascondom - never leave home without protection

 

[TheKingElessar]

No, i mean have a presence on forums who can interact with the fans, like ADB does to an extent, or like a lot of companies do. as for the playtesting, why not get the proven tournie players to do playtesting and such, because if the game is balanced enough for tournies it will be balanced for all play, because no one can break a codex like a competitive player

but 20 man CSM blobs with lascannons are so good, i mean moving 6" per turn and not shooting your overpriced weapon? OP as fuck.

Hmm, but some prefer to put their prejudices in the way of RaW. There's no perfect solution.

 

[HadronFlux]

All of these cries of porting are narrow minded. As someone who is using iAuthor to test out digital textbook feasibility in the classroom I can vouch for the fact that it isn't just a "copy and paste some text" to make an iBook. Once you add-in the interactive features that iAuthor allows (360 model views and such) you've left the realm of easy to port. They have to pay people to assemble this content and you need some level of skill to do so (iAuthor isn't as simple as using MS Word - especially for interactive content).

Apple's approach gives them a development app, a distribution channel, a controlled environment to house the content, and a 75% market share for tablets. There is no way they'd give up those features and put content into another channel that'll risk easy piracy. Sure you can just scan the pages, but then you've lost all of your interactivity and the quality of the end product suffers (some scans are pretty bad - I have them on my ipad).

As I have an iPad, I will most likely get the codices for the books I don't already have and if they are smart and put out the 6th edition rules in both formats it'll be a hard decision as to which I get. Quick searches of the content based on keywords and easy click to get dependent rules are really nice features.

 

[lokis222]

Can't say I care about this. I am not impressed by the price or the subject matter. I have a first gen ipad.... got it when it first appeared. Once it dies, the first and last apple product I own dies with it.

I dislike Itunes.

I dislike price gouging.

I despised ultramarines.

 

[Adramalech]

All of these cries of porting are narrow minded. As someone who is using iAuthor to test out digital textbook feasibility in the classroom I can vouch for the fact that it isn't just a "copy and paste some text" to make an iBook. Once you add-in the interactive features that iAuthor allows (360 model views and such) you've left the realm of easy to port. They have to pay people to assemble this content and you need some level of skill to do so (iAuthor isn't as simple as using MS Word - especially for interactive content).

Apple's approach gives them a development app, a distribution channel, a controlled environment to house the content, and a 75% market share for tablets. There is no way they'd give up those features and put content into another channel that'll risk easy piracy. Sure you can just scan the pages, but then you've lost all of your interactivity and the quality of the end product suffers (some scans are pretty bad - I have them on my ipad).

As I have an iPad, I will most likely get the codices for the books I don't already have and if they are smart and put out the 6th edition rules in both formats it'll be a hard decision as to which I get. Quick searches of the content based on keywords and easy click to get dependent rules are really nice features.

the codex doesn't need to be "interactive," though. Applying a gimmick feature like "interactivity" to an e-book is one thing. Shamelessly promoting that feature as the sole virtue, and as the reason that e-book can't be ported to kindle or nook is entirely another.

so there goes the core of your first argument.

anything else you'd like to add?

 

[TheKingElessar]

Only 1 type of Kindle is in colour. Sorry, but paying for a black and white Codex is distasteful to me.

 

[Adramalech]

Only 1 type of Kindle is in colour. Sorry, but paying for a black and white Codex is distasteful to me.

and it's still cheaper than an ipad

go figure

 

[HadronFlux]

the codex doesn't need to be "interactive," though...

Nice cherry pick - the interactivity is a bonus of the format. The reality is that they used the iPad for my other reasons: development app, distribution chain, content security and market saturation. Once you've decided due to those reasons, it doesn't matter whether you make it interactive or not you've already lost your portability due to the use of the iAuthor system. Apple didn't make their alignment of app->store->device so it can easily move to a competitors system (and that is their right as a business).

Yeah GW can export a watermarked PDF from iAuthor, but now you've got a perfect text copy that has essentially zero security and limited ways to monetize it. There's no way they'd do that when they can go the other route and try and entice people for a new format that offers new features.

At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. They'll have to put out the paper and digital formats side-by-side due to the fact that so many people don't have iPads. If some guy with an iPad sees value in the digital product and pays more for that perceived added value, how does it hurt you? Oh, that's right, you're hurt because you do want a digital format, just done in a format you want and only with features you find desirable. Unfortunately for you, that's GW's business decision - not yours.

 

[Eleven]

the codex doesn't need to be "interactive," though. Applying a gimmick feature like "interactivity" to an e-book is one thing. Shamelessly promoting that feature as the sole virtue, and as the reason that e-book can't be ported to kindle or nook is entirely another.

so there goes the core of your first argument.

anything else you'd like to add?

Except that the core of his statement is still intact and your argument has no core, extremities, head, tail or any parts of substance. His post isn't an argument either, it's just the truth and yours is the one which is spontaneously and pointlessly confrontational.


Fact: the product that you want (free PDF codices) is already available. Go get it and stfu.

If you don't have a iPad then who cares. This doesn't affect you in any way. Why are you mad that games workshop is making cool stuff for people other than you. How's that hateraid taste?