[neferhet]

Since i'm modeling the guys, i'm also thinking about a list where to use them. I'm talking about raptors with a gunslinger champion :biggrin:
This will be a friendly list, but i can see it putting out some wins.

Chaos Sorceror
2 nd level
sigils
(110)

5 Marines
meltagun
Rhino
(120)

5 Marines
meltagun
Rhino
(120)

5 Raptors
2 plasmaguns
Champion w/ 2 Plasma pistols
(155)

5 Raptors
2 plasmaguns
Champion w/ 2 Plasma pistols
(155)

5 Bikers
MoNurgle
2 meltaguns
1 combimelta
(170)

3 Terminators
3 combimelta
(112)

3 Terminators
3 combimelta
(112)


5 Havocs
4 flamers
Rhino
(130)

5 Havocs
3 lascannons
veterans
(140)

5 Havocs
3 Autocannons
(105)

Aegis Line + comm array
(70)

So, autocannon and lascannon havocs stay behind the Aegis, comm array helps the deepstriking terminators and raptors to arrive when they must; Sorceror stay in to a rhino and helps marines squads with telepaty powers while supported by bikers. Flamer havocs are used as counterattack unit or to block pesky assaults. Also, 4 flamers are going to hurt big blobs.
Raptors will die badly, but at 12" they have 6 plasma shots. And that too is going to make something die badly.

Any glaring weakness? (i'm not concerned about flyiers: at worst 2 dakkajets, a Nurgle DP, a couple of Dark Eldar Jets...)

 

[DaisyDuke]

So if you give champ 2 pistols he gets the gunslinger special rule?

 

[neferhet]

as stated in the rulebook, if a model is equipped with 2 pistols he can shoot with them both in the shooting phase. (and is also considered equipped with dual cc weapons!)

I'm also thinkering about a stupid list where i have MSU marines squads with plasmagun and 2 pistol champion... it's soo stupid i'm almost ashamed to post it...

 

[venomlust]

Never even considered going for gunslinger. I like it, because this way you still get 2 S7 AP2 shots and the ability to charge after without being a biker. Plus it would look way cool if modeled. It would be irresistible to hop him around and pewpewpew at things.

 

[ntaw]

Gunslinger is hands down my favourite rule in 40k.

 

[Loli]

Gunslinger is hands down my favourite rule in 40k.

Agreed. It's what makes my Seraphim in my Sisters so fun. Gunslinger is just rule of cool. I'm always surprised so few people wield Gunslingers in their lists. So do it Neferhet!

 

[Captain_Loken]

Just curious, but why the Rhinos with the CSM, and not with the raptors, or use for another heavy??

 

[neferhet]

Just curious, but why the Rhinos with the CSM, and not with the raptors, or use for another heavy??

Since i had to pay for the Troop tax, i wanted them to be on the same mobility level of the rest of my army. A rhino will ensure that at least they get where i need them. A meltagun also needs a way to get near to you :biggrin:

Then, i made the models and am currently painting the first test-model.
Here's the link to my PLog page, with the uploads.
http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2191906#post2191906

 

[ntaw]

It's what makes my Seraphim in my Sisters so fun.

If only you could fire both weapons on Overwatch! THAT would be righteous.

I'm also thinkering about a stupid list where i have MSU marines squads with plasmagun and 2 pistol champion... it's soo stupid i'm almost ashamed to post it...

One time a friend tried, in a friendly game, using a Vanguard Veteran squad entirely equipped with dual plasma pistols. They were a force to be reckoned with, which surprised both of us. Be not afraid of 'stupid' lists...sometimes they catch people so off guard they work!

 

[Tugger]

One time a friend tried, in a friendly game, using a Vanguard Veteran squad entirely equipped with dual plasma pistols. They were a force to be reckoned with, which surprised both of us. Be not afraid of 'stupid' lists...sometimes they catch people so off guard they work!

Man....as long as you did not fail any gets hot rolls, that squad would wreck people if it could get close

 

[ntaw]

^ he got very lucky with his in the game....and they have jump packs so getting close wasn't much an issue.

 

[Tugger]

Hahah damn man. Gotta be an expensive squad to field though

 

[ntaw]

150 points just in pistols, not something to do in a competitive environment.

 

[Tugger]

Yea. Pretty bad ass though. I would have never thought to equip a squad like that

 

[Mossy Toes]

I definitely want to try Skitarii sergeants with dual arc pistols--don't bother pushing squad size up to 10, keep it at 5 and still get 6 haywire shots!

If I were trying to use gunslinger in a CSM fast attack list--well, I'd probably throw them on a biker champ rather than make pseudo-Seraphim, but my major concern here is the lack of FNP or Preferred Enemy from any source. No mitigation of 1s to hit will hurt, if you're rolling enough plasma...

And no Cypher in a gunslinger-themed list? For shaame!

 

[neferhet]

I definitely want to try Skitarii sergeants with dual arc pistols--don't bother pushing squad size up to 10, keep it at 5 and still get 6 haywire shots!

If I were trying to use gunslinger in a CSM fast attack list--well, I'd probably throw them on a biker champ rather than make pseudo-Seraphim, but my major concern here is the lack of FNP or Preferred Enemy from any source. No mitigation of 1s to hit will hurt, if you're rolling enough plasma...

And no Cypher in a gunslinger-themed list? For shaame!

Well, i never understood how a biker could handle 2 weapons...so the rule of cool for me makes raptors the winners If sister have seraphim, we will have nephilim!
About cypher...yes. i have to thinker it a little more. Fact is, cypher is costly as hell and cannot be our warlord... extra HQ tax for me!