Get things going- First Fantasy Tactica Wars discussion thread!

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Steel Nathan

Discussion Starter · Jan 16, 2009

So now that we have brought in a Fantasy Version of the Tactica Wars, and currently posted up the Rules and Intro threads, it is time to start thinking about the first Tactica War here!

Basically, this thread is to decided what kind of tourament we are going to have here. Right now, we're probably going to have a normal, average knock-out system tournament ("normal" meaning no special and funky rules and such). But, I would like to hear from everyone what points limits should the this tournament be? I'm not an expert on this game really, so I would like to hear from the Fantasy Players on which points level we should play? I would prefere a level that can buy a fair amount of units, but nothing too big either. Probably nothing over 2250 really.

So, post your opinion (and a reason please!) on what poinits level this should be. Also, any suggestions to how this first tournament should be run (after all, this is a discussion thread!) can be posted here also. :grin:

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Othiem

· #2 · Jan 16, 2009

My vote is 1500. It's enough points for 3 reasonably geared heros and avoids lords. Any higher and it starts to become too many units to keep track of in a tactica posting such as this. Any lower, and there aren't enough points for a diverse army, so "cheese" lists such as dragon oger spam become problematic.

squeek

· #3 · Jan 16, 2009

I would also go for 1500, I think it might be wise to discount SCs from the first one too, but that is my personal opinion of course.

Critta

· #4 · Jan 16, 2009

I'm game with 1500 I suppose, will make it quicker to write the list

zabo

· #5 · Jan 16, 2009 (Edited by Moderator)

I was thinking 2250, but hey 1500 is cool too.

wait, ummm how do I play?

Merged double post - squeek

Mutants_ho!

· #6 · Jan 16, 2009

Look in the other two tactica wars threads. All will be made clear.
I also agree with 1500 points, cheese becomes a issue at 2000 and up, and it will be easier to write tactics for.

(Try not to double post please. there is an "edit" button.)

Critta

· #7 · Jan 16, 2009 (Edited)

See, I was under the impression that games became more interesting at 2000 and up. But hey, I can see writing tactics for 1500 being easier.

Try a 1500 one, if it's too dull, maybe 2000-2250 would be more interesting!

As for 2000 and up allowing "cheese", surely that's the point of having these tactica things, finding ways you can think of to beat the more powerful lists and convincing people it would work.

Dafistofmork

· #8 · Jan 16, 2009 (Edited)

I have always tried to get 2000pts on the field, but if everyone votes 1500 im happy with that(just means i cant take a black orc warboss on wyvern, or an uber dwarf lord, or a greater deamon or a skaven warlord(which do i choose?)-damm).

squeek

· #9 · Jan 16, 2009

Bear in mind that once we have run the initial one, the winner would be allowed to pick the next points limit like with the 40k Tactica Wars. So if 1500 turns out to be too small it would only be one tournament, then it would likely be changed.

Dafistofmork

· #10 · Jan 16, 2009

Looks like its 1500Pts for now then(though i hate to make a final decision for everybody-someone else can do that.). When does it start?

Vaz

· #11 · Jan 16, 2009

2000pt Games are good, 2500 pt games are fantastic... And Cheese? There's less cheese than there is in 40K, and 40K 'cheese' is easy enough to deal with.

Cheese? Because somebody spams an effective unit? Cheese is when Archaon is a Core unit choice and costs 10pts.

Learn to play, and don't complain about cheese, basically.

Not that my vote would make a difference, but 2000pts.

Dafistofmork

· #12 · Jan 16, 2009

Whilst i am happy to run 1500, i have to agree with vaz. any way, i find 1500pt lists akward to make and use. dosent realy come together without a lord in my opinon.

Inquisitor Aurelius

· #13 · Jan 23, 2009

Vaz said:
2000pt Games are good, 2500 pt games are fantastic... And Cheese? There's less cheese than there is in 40K, and 40K 'cheese' is easy enough to deal with.

Cheese? Because somebody spams an effective unit? Cheese is when Archaon is a Core unit choice and costs 10pts.

Learn to play, and don't complain about cheese, basically.

Not that my vote would make a difference, but 2000pts.

:laugh: Spoken like a true powergamer. As far as I'm concerned, "cheese" is defined as anything that can wipe its arse with any and all units worth a similar number of points which haven't been specifically designed to counter the "cheesy" unit in question.

That said, it's not really an argument I'm keen on taking part in. And for the record, 1500 works for me. I'd normally say 2,000 or 2,250, but then Vaz'd bring Kholek and it'd all go downhill in a storm of metagaming from there

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Steel Nathan

Discussion Starter · #14 · Jan 23, 2009

Alrighty then, I guess that this will be a 1500 pt tournament for the first Fantasy Tactica Wars then. Now to create the official sign up thread and we can get things started.

Critta

· #15 · Jan 23, 2009

I'll start getting a list written then.

1500pts you say, hmmmm, interesting!

Vaz

· #16 · Jan 24, 2009

Inquisitor Aurelius said:
:laugh: Spoken like a true powergamer. As far as I'm concerned, "cheese" is defined as anything that can wipe its arse with any and all units worth a similar number of points which haven't been specifically designed to counter the "cheesy" unit in question.

That said, it's not really an argument I'm keen on taking part in. And for the record, 1500 works for me. I'd normally say 2,000 or 2,250, but then Vaz'd bring Kholek and it'd all go downhill in a storm of metagaming from there .

=) - By the way, Metagaming is not possible - no-one knows each others lists until it's all started, and lists are locked.Still - are Great Cannons cheese? 100 odd points, and they can kill a 400pt Dragon on first turn? I wouldn't say that's cheesy, unlucky maybe, but you do need to learn to play if you're putting a Dragon in front of a Cannon.

1500? Ooooh, I have some ideas =D.

Inquisitor Aurelius

· #17 · Jan 25, 2009

Great Cannons aren't cheese, because they are designed specifically to take out things like 400 point dragons. Fire 'em at anything else, and they're hard-pressed to make back their points. You don't get "Look out, sir!" against Archaon or Kholek.

But I'm biased against Special Characters in general, so take everything I say on the subject with a grain of salt. They just annoy me, is all.

Also, your point about metagaming is true, but only up to a point. One can reasonably surmise that, given the opportunity, you'd take one or both of the above mentioned characters, in light of your widely expressed views on them. Also, your WoC list would have to go through me - and if I decided to compete, and saw Kholek on the roster, it might take more willpower than I've got* not to build specific countermeasures into my own list!

*Judges are people too, after all - I can't help it if I've got only slightly more self-control than a rabbit on LSD.

Vaz

· #18 · Jan 25, 2009

I thought Cannons were just to rip into Castles and big Infantry blocks... Bah...

I might not be taking Warriors of Chaos either. Just to let you know

. =P

Why doesn't Archaon get Look Out Sir? He's a Cavalry model, after all.

Metagame away. I'll still beat you =P. It's game on, homey. =D

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