[forkmaster]

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IMPERIAL_FISTS_LEGION_TEMPLAR_BRETHREN_UPGRADE_SET.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/IMPERIAL_FISTS_LEGION_PHALANX_WARDER_SQUAD_UPGRADE_SET.html

 

[Asamodai]

Very nice. I expect many IF and Templar players will be very excited.

 

[Deus Mortis]

They look nice. It's just a shame that the Imperial Fist players got screwed over with the pricing. Every other Legion got a separate sculpt for their unique unit. Imperial fist players have a £22 upgrade set they have to buy alongside a £23 unit. That means each of these units costs almost as much as a Primarch. Whereas the Emperors Children, as an example, pay only ~£45 for their unit of 5 terminators.

If I were an imperial fist player, I'd be pleased with the sculpts but raging about the price.

 

[forkmaster]

They look nice. It's just a shame that the Imperial Fist players got screwed over with the pricing. Every other Legion got a separate sculpt for their unique unit. Imperial fist players have a £22 upgrade set they have to buy alongside a £23 unit. That means each of these units costs almost as much as a Primarch. Whereas the Emperors Children, as an example, pay only ~£45 for their unit of 5 terminators.

If I were an imperial fist player, I'd be pleased with the sculpts but raging about the price.

I would imagine these are like the special upgrade-packs like there is for the EC, WB and NL. I would imagine that the IF will get special figures of their own in a certain future.

Here are other examples:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Hor...dren/EMPERORS_CHILDREN_SQUAD_UPGRADE_SET.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Hor...d_Bearers/WORD_BEARERS_SQUAD_UPGRADE_SET.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/The_Hor...ight_Lords/NIGHT_LORDS_SQUAD_UPGRADE_SET.html

Comparing the IF with these, they looks much cheaper and you get much more for the same prices.

 

[Vaz]

With the exception of Dorn, and Sigimund (and recently revealed Pollux), IF have no new units to be revealed. Imperial Fists unique Gear are super power fists, Storm Shields and Assault Cannons, all of which are produced by GW or FW. Until we see the Fists again (Siege of Terra way, so around 2+ books and a year or more away), it's unlikely they'll get more units.

 

[venomlust]

Meh. I like the axes a lot, and the torsos/shoulderpads. I also really like the unhelmed screaming head. Those gargantuan shields are goofy as hell. Still looking forward to Sigismund. I don't know too much about all the Heresy-era fluff but he seems like quite the badass.

I think the poses are the least exciting part of these releases. Those sword 'n board guys mostly seem like they're standing around.

 

[Words_of_Truth]

I think the armour mks are the wrong way around, Templars should have the more advance armour and the phalanx the heavier armour, but that's just my personal taste. In general though I still dislike the emphasis on the templars in regards to the early legion.

 

[Deus Mortis]

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Yeah, but all those upgrade kits are for a 10 man squad and these only let you make 5. For Templars that's not much of a problem since the minimum squad size is 5, but when you have to spend almost £50 on your 5 man unit but the Emperor's Children only have to spend like £36 for 5 palatine blades and Word Bearer's have to pay about the same for Ashen Circle and Sons of Horus for Reavers, it does smart a bit.

Again, with the Warders, you have to pay almost £100 for their minimum squad size of 10, whereas Iron Hands only have to pay about £67 for 10 Immortals.

Plus, for me, it smacks of laziness/lack of care that every other unique unit gets a whole new sculpt but Imperial Fist players get a re-hash of existing sculpts.

It still doesn't change that they're pretty, I just would be pissed if I was an Imperial Fist player. On the other hand, maybe this is some kind of karmic justice for them having stupidly powerful Legiones Astartes rules and Sigismund having Eternal Warrior when the likes of Abaddon, Typhon, Kharn, Erebus, etc don't.

 

[Khorne's Fist]

and Sigismund having Eternal Warrior when the likes of Abaddon, Typhon, Kharn, Erebus, etc don't.

Well, he is the baddest of them all, having owned most of the champions and first captains of the other legions. If anyone not a primarch deserves it, it's him.

 

[ntaw]

Guard-sized power axes is all I see.

 

[Words_of_Truth]

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You put the Templars twice.

 

[Deus Mortis]

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Bah, it just ruins the whole "the Heresy is a dark and tumultuous time. Anything could happen and even Gods can fall!" Theme of the Heresy Era stuff for me when you've got this lone yahoo running around going "well it might be uncertain for you, but I'm eternal mother-fuckers!"

 

[Vaz]

I've sent an email to the FW Team regarding many rules errors and potential balance fixtures - such as Powerscythes granting Rampage rather than Sweep Attack (in practise sweep attack rarely grants more than the 2 attacks you have anyway) - as well as those characters who are "touched by fates" to recieve Eternal Warrior for free to actually give them a reason for being taken.

I don't see why game balance etc needs to be sacrificed for some authors love of a particular tactic.

It was done ages prior to Christmas - I recieved an email back a few days ago, signed off by "Alan B" which reading between lines was that they hadn't anticipated the power creep, and were looking into reworking the rules for later books including Chaos rules for the legions.

 

[venomlust]

I'm impressed they responded to you about that stuff, @Vaz. It seems in general that a decent amount of excitement and creativity goes into writing rules, but far less thought about how those rules effect gameplay over all.

 

[Vaz]

You should see the stuff they don't bother responding to. When I was bedridden I must have sent about 3 emails a day that were rarely responded to after the first.

They should just give up and hire me as a tester/rules checker.

 

[dragonkingofthestars]

I'm impressed they responded to you about that stuff, @Vaz. It seems in general that a decent amount of excitement and creativity goes into writing rules, but far less thought about how those rules effect gameplay over all.

Hows that different then the normal game workshop practice?

 

[venomlust]

Hows that different then the normal game workshop practice?

It isn't, but since he was talking about the FW team...

I imagine it's different writers, all equally bad at proodreading, editing, and understanding how they're changing the game.

I would instantly give Vaz more credit as a game designer, assuming he has no professional experience.

 

[Words_of_Truth]

I got a response when I asked them whether they would be doing dreadnoughts for all the legions, this was a while back.

Anyway do you think they'll add any raven guard stuff? I'm considering doing a force of Solar Auxilia as the Therion Cohort with some Raven Guard allies and eventually Corax.

 

[Vaz]

Hard to say. Alpha Legion, Iron Warriors and Raven Guard are all in the same boat with no kits produced for them (sans Shoulder pads). only IF have anything from Book III, and that's a pair of upgrade kits.

 

[Words_of_Truth]

Hmm ok, I'll start with the Cohort for now then, do you think the Solar Auxilia suit them? I'm worried they may be a bit to elite.