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I've finally painted enough of my CSM, and I'm going to try to go my FLGS the next time they do 40k in store.

HQ
Daemon Prince=175 points
-Mark of Nurgle
-Warptime
-Wings

Elites
Chaos Terminators x3=110 points
-Icon of Chaos Glory
-Combi-melta
-Combi-Melta

Troops
Plague Marines x10=380
-Plague Champion w/ Power Fist and Plasma Pistol
-Plasma Gun
-Plasma Gun
-Rhino
--Extra Armor
--Havoc Launcher

CSM x10=225 points
-Aspiring Champion w/ Power Weapon
-Meltagun
-Heavy Bolter
-Icon of Chaos Glory

Heavy Support
2 Obliterators=150 points

Total=1040

I can change some of the stuff around, but some of the wargear and such is pretty set.
-The Icons can be changed easily enough.
-The wargear for the aspiring champions can also be switched around a little bit.
-The special weapons for each squad can be switched around, except for one of the Plague Marine plasma gunners.

I have no idea what armies the people there play, so I can't really tailor my list to deal with that. Also, what does the Icon of Chaos Glory do? I can't find the description in the codex, although I've probably just missed it repeatedly.
 

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Note: I'm really ill, so my listing and math May be off slighty

IoCG - Re-roll failed morale tests.

-Drop the Havoc Launchers on the Rhinos

- Make the Plague Marine squad into a 7
Drop the 2 PlasmaGuns on the Plague Marines and take 2 meltaguns

-3 Terminators is a waste of time, either try to make them a 5, or dont have them at all.

Sorry, I'm usually abit more helpful, but as i say, im feeling pretty shitty.
Hopefully someone nice like Primarch Lorgar will come along and help.
 

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the icon of chaos glory allows you to reroll morale checks so i'd drop it on the termis as their not likely to survive the next round of enemy fire after they arrive. Also i keep my rhinos bare as they are easily one-shot killed so keep the points down. I think that 40 points over is a bit much even in friendly games and these changes should put you 'back in the green'. Drop the plasma pistol on the plaguer's champion as it doesn't aid the squads fire power much and can potentially kill a 78pt model:shok:

NOTE:the heavy bolter and melta gun don't work together as one is an assualt weapon and the other is a heavy weapon. They also have completely mismatched ranges and don't do the same jobs. I'd make it two meltas.
 

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A Vanilla (i.e. no Marks of particular Gods) list for the hell of it:

HQ
• Chaos Lord
- Terminator armour, paired lightning claws
130 points

ELITES
• 5 Chosen
- Icon of Chaos Glory, 3 meltaguns
130 points

TROOPS
• 10 Chaos Space Marines
- Aspiring Champion with Icon of Chaos Glory; 2 meltaguns, Rhino
220 points
• 10 Chaos Space Marines - Aspiring Champion with Icon of Chaos Glory; 2 meltaguns, Rhino
220 points

HEAVY SUPPORT
• 2 Obliterators

150 points
• 2 Obliterators
150 points

TOTAL:
1,000 points
 

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As always, a good list svartmetall! But personally i'd swap out the lord for a sorcerer with mark of slaanesh and lash of submission as he can ride in a rhino and group squads for the oblits to blast the shit out of.
 

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I've finally painted enough of my CSM, and I'm going to try to go my FLGS the next time they do 40k in store.

HQ
Daemon Prince=175 points
-Mark of Nurgle
-Warptime
-Wings
I like this
Elites
Chaos Terminators x3=110 points
-Icon of Chaos Glory
-Combi-melta
-Combi-Melta
Could get some working on. I suppose you want to deep strike these fellas and blow up some tanks. Thing is think about what armies your facing. Some will not have tanks, and that unit is also a sacrifice unit the way you put them, they will be overrun pretty quickly. The best terminators that ive seen are when they have the mark of slaanesh and lightning claws. But thats if you had more men and more points to spare.
Troops
Plague Marines x10=380
-Plague Champion w/ Power Fist and Plasma Pistol Drop the plasma pistol, I'd get a combi-melta. Not worth one kill to sacrifice the best close combat weapon in your squad
-Plasma Gun
-Plasma Gun
keep if you want anti infantry weapons.
-Rhino
--Extra Armor
--Havoc Launcher

CSM x10=225 points
-Aspiring Champion w/ Power Weapon
-Meltagun
-Heavy Bolter
-Icon of Chaos Glory
weird unit. I think you were a little low on points to run. I'd upgrade the powerweapon to a powerfist and take away the heavy bolter.

Heavy Support
2 Obliterators=150 points
make these seperate units so you can divide fire power more
Total=1040

I can change some of the stuff around, but some of the wargear and such is pretty set.
-The Icons can be changed easily enough.
-The wargear for the aspiring champions can also be switched around a little bit.
-The special weapons for each squad can be switched around, except for one of the Plague Marine plasma gunners.

I have no idea what armies the people there play, so I can't really tailor my list to deal with that. Also, what does the Icon of Chaos Glory do? I can't find the description in the codex, although I've probably just missed it repeatedly.
Just to let you know if this is a 1000 point list, 40 pts is a little to over to be legal. Always try your best to keep it to 1000. I'd get rid of your terminator unit for now. That leaves you 70 pts to properly upgrade you other units and rhinos to what you want without limiting and also keeping you to 1000 pts. luck
 

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Well, I stopped by my FLGS to check when they run 40k in-store, and it's on wednesday, so I have a bit of time to edit stuff. Also, I got a quick look at some of the armies, and it looks like most of them play either Space Marines of some sort (I know one of them has a SW army), or Guard, and one also has some Sisters.


Just to let you know if this is a 1000 point list, 40 pts is a little to over to be legal. Always try your best to keep it to 1000. I'd get rid of your terminator unit for now. That leaves you 70 pts to properly upgrade you other units and rhinos to what you want without limiting and also keeping you to 1000 pts. luck
I wasn't sure about the terminators in the first place, but I thought I'd just put them there and see what people thought.


the icon of chaos glory allows you to reroll morale checks so i'd drop it on the termis as their not likely to survive the next round of enemy fire after they arrive. Also i keep my rhinos bare as they are easily one-shot killed so keep the points down. I think that 40 points over is a bit much even in friendly games and these changes should put you 'back in the green'. Drop the plasma pistol on the plaguer's champion as it doesn't aid the squads fire power much and can potentially kill a 78pt model:shok:

NOTE:the heavy bolter and melta gun don't work together as one is an assualt weapon and the other is a heavy weapon. They also have completely mismatched ranges and don't do the same jobs. I'd make it two meltas.
Now I'm glad I didn't glue the Havoc Launcher to the Rhino. As for the Plague Champion, would a Power weapon and no special gun be a better option? Because I should be able to make that without much trouble.

Thanks for the help everyone. I'll try and post a revised list tonight or tomorrow morning.
 

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Well, I've decided to make a 1500 point army list as well, just in case.

HQ
Daemon Prince=175 points
-Wings
-Mark of Nurgle
-Warptime

Abbadon=275 points

Troops
Plague Marines x10=350 points
-Plague Champion
--Combi-Melta
--Powerfist
-meltagun
-meltagun
-Chaos Rhino
--Extra Armor

Chaos Space Marines x10=210 points
-Aspiring Champion
--Power Weapon
-Meltagun
-Meltagun
-Icon of Chaos Glory

Chaos Space Marines x6=155 points
-Aspiring Champion
--Powerfist
-Plasma Gun
-Icon of Chaos Glory

Fast Attack
Chaos Raptors x5=150 points
-Meltagun
-Meltagun
-Mark of Khorne (Trying to decide between Mark of Khorne and Mark of Slaanesh for these guys)

Heavy Support
-Chaos Obliterator=75 points
-Chaos Obliterator=75 points

Total=1465 points

I'm going to be playing a game with this on wednesday, so any suggestions would be great. Also, I can change around a few things. I have other HQ options, such as Typhus and a Chaos Lord of Nurgle, with a steed and a Daemon weapon, all of which comes out to 180 points. Alternately, I could get rid of the Mark of Khorne on the Raptor Squad, and use the points to put in a 3rd obliterator. That would put me at 1510 points, and I'm not sure if 10 points over the limit is too much.

so, thoughts?
 

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If you're facing a lot of marines those plasma guns could be very useful. If they are mostly mech lists then meltas are a better choice I suppose. I like plasmas on plague marines even though I never play them myself they have shot up my Emperor's Children a few times. If you see a lot of five man marine squads they are devistating.
 

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Well, i don't know exactly what the other guys play, and I'm not too fond of my guns accidentally killing my guys, hence the lack of plasma.
 

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1: Put Plasma on the Plague Marines. Since they have Feel no Pain, the odds of them getting killed by their own guns are next to nothing.

2: When putting champions on squads, either take a Powerfist or nothing. IMO, dont even use a champ on vanilla/plague squads unless he has a powerfist. Due to their low number of attacks, a PW wont help that much. It simply doesn't add any utility. A PF gives him anti-vehicle/MC ability, and can insta-kill any multi-wound model with T4.

3. Abbadon seems very out of place in a list like this. Not only is he a massive point sink, but you dont have any CC units for him to run with. If you leave him without an escort, he will be shot to ribbons before he ever reaches combat. He also can't ride in rhinos because of his Terminator armour, so he will either be Deepstriked or walking. both very, very bad ideas.
 

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Well, I've decided to make a 1500 point army list as well, just in case.

HQ
Daemon Prince=175 points
-Wings
-Mark of Nurgle
-Warptime

Abbadon=275 points

Troops
Plague Marines x10=350 points
-Plague Champion
--Combi-Melta
--Powerfist
-meltagun
-meltagun
-Chaos Rhino
--Extra Armor

Chaos Space Marines x10=210 points
-Aspiring Champion
--Power Weapon
-Meltagun
-Meltagun
-Icon of Chaos Glory

Chaos Space Marines x6=155 points
-Aspiring Champion
--Powerfist
-Plasma Gun
-Icon of Chaos Glory

Fast Attack
Chaos Raptors x5=150 points
-Meltagun
-Meltagun
-Mark of Khorne (Trying to decide between Mark of Khorne and Mark of Slaanesh for these guys)

Heavy Support
-Chaos Obliterator=75 points
-Chaos Obliterator=75 points

Total=1465 points

I'm going to be playing a game with this on wednesday, so any suggestions would be great. Also, I can change around a few things. I have other HQ options, such as Typhus and a Chaos Lord of Nurgle, with a steed and a Daemon weapon, all of which comes out to 180 points. Alternately, I could get rid of the Mark of Khorne on the Raptor Squad, and use the points to put in a 3rd obliterator. That would put me at 1510 points, and I'm not sure if 10 points over the limit is too much.

so, thoughts?

Do you not have ANY other Heavy Supports? I don't think 3 Obliterators max would cut it, unless you where facing an army with NO mech, inwhich case you'd STILL want more oblits for the Heavy-Flamers. You need to go out there and buy some Heavy Support man.

- Never spend 1/3 points on HQ's man, A few short guidelines to a list;

in 1500 Points lists, you want;

-2/3 Troop choices, Hopefully 3, and ideally 3. Give them roles, like One will mainly stay at home on the objective; Think about transports.
-Enough in your Heavy Support to be able to take care of Big targets

Then have alook and see if you have enough coverage of weapons, These days it's reccommended to have Meltas; So a squad of 5 Chosen With 5 meltas is like 140 points.

The only see what type of unit you will want as a HQ, I take a DP and Kharn, Because a DP runs well on its own, leapfrog stuff and MC-own. And Kharn makes a unit of 'Zerkers fearsome and really good in CC. :mrgreen:

Obv this small guide isnt perfect, but should get you on the right track.
 

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I was actually thinking of getting rid of Abbadon and putting in either my defiler, with the Autocannon and TL-flamers, or a squad of Havocs with some lascannons.
 

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Well, if you're going up to 1,500 points, allow me to suggest this:

HQ
• Daemon Prince
- Wings; Warptime
155 points

ELITES
• 5 Chosen
- Icon of Chaos Glory; 5 meltaguns
150 points

TROOPS
• 8 Khorne Berzerkers
- Skull Champion with powerfist; Rhino
243 points
• 7 Plague Marines - Champion with powerfist; 2 meltaguns; Rhino
256 points
• 7 Plague Marines - Champion with powerfist; 2 flamers; Rhino
246 points

HEAVY SUPPORT
• 2 Obliterators

150 points
• 2 Obliterators
150 points
• Vindicator - Daemonic Possession, twin-linked bolter
150 points

TOTAL:
1,500 points
 
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