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· Well That Was Unexpected
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Hey everyone .....(imaginary converation) say D-A-C didn't we all provide you with help for an Iron Warriors list? Why yes indeed you all did. Say D-A-C didn't we then help you with a Word Bearers list? Yes thats correct again (and indeed I need to get that battle report I promised posted). Well, why the heck should we help you with another list? Well because I have finally settled on a theme (my orginal favourite) after discovering it can be relatively competitive and I also ordered £100 worth of stuff meaning if I change again i'll be broke, hooray! Hell maybe thats a sign I should become an agent of the Lord of Change (damn I wonder can I change that Games Workshop order?).

Anyway leaving all that aside, I've been chatting with some of the folks over in the tactics section about which model is better Lucius or a Slaanesh Blissgiver Chaos Lord, even though the matter is pretty settled if anyone wants to suggest Lucius instead in the following lists please feel free to chip in.

Here is the 1000pts list for my Emperor's Children army, as I always say fluff is important to me because its just some awesome extra rules to follow. I would like some comments on this list first:

1000pts (1000pts) (4 Vehicles) (20 Models)


HQ


Chaos Lord, Mark of Slaanesh, Daemon Weapon, Meltabombs, 140pts


TROOPS


10 CSM, Champion, Powerfist, IOS, Combi-Flamer, x2 Meltaguns, Rhino, 275pts

9 Noise Marines, Champion, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, Meltabombs, x6 Sonic Blasters, Rhino, 295pts


HEAVY SUPPORT


Vindicator, Daemonic Possession, 145pts

Chaos Predator, Autocannon, Lascannons sponsons, Havoc Launcher, 145pts


I'm pretty much settled on it unless anybody can suggest any changes if I'm missing a trick or two. Where I'm having the problem is in bumping it up to 1500pts which is the standard size game (along with 1000pts) which we play in my area. Also I will be eventually entering the tournament scene so I need to be prepared for that (although I don't need super competitive, just enough so that if I play well I can always have a chance of winning).

I have looked and so some of the comments so far and come up with the following list, which I would love some opinions on:


1500pts (1495pts) (5 Vehicles) (30 Models)

HQ

Chaos Lord, Mark of Slaanesh, Daemon Weapon, Meltabombs, 140pts


TROOPS

10 CSM, Champion, Powerfist, IOS, Combi-Flamer, x2 Meltaguns, Rhino, 275pts

10 CSM, Champion, Powerfist, IOS, Combi-Flamer, x2 Meltaguns, Rhino, 275pts

9 Noise Marines, Champion, Power Weapon, Doom Siren, Meltabombs, x9 Sonic Blasters, 275pts


HEAVY SUPPORT

Land Raider, Daemonic Possession, 240pts

Vindicator, Daemonic Possession, 145pts

Chaos Predator, Autocannon, Lascannons sponsons, Havoc Launcher, 145pts


I know I've said I hate Land Raiders in previous posts, but I'm thinking that it would significantly aid the Noise Marine / Lord squad and provide another bigger target (along with the Vindicator) therefore increasing the value of the Predator which can use (hopefully) two turns of unimpeded movement to get in a good position for medium range support.

Finally I also added a further 3 sonic blasters to the Noise Marines and a third troop choice, which in this case was the all round Vanilla Slaanesh marines with their Melta, Flamer, Fist Combo in a Rhino. This leaves a spare 5 points which I haven't a clue what to do with lol. So what are everyones opinions of this list?
 

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Hey Fallen, I'm open to using and changing all units as long as it maintains a slaanesh theme. The only units I'm unwilling to use are Daemon Princes, Lash Sorcerer (just because they are overrated, one dimensional and need to be built around) and to a lesser extent Obliterators (even though everyone recommends them, I'm still yet to be convinced). Other than that I'm pretty much open to ideas.

As for armies I face, the number one would have to be a Nidzilla style tyranid list that includes a Sawrmlord. Also to a lesser extent Tau and Imperial Guard. But in saying that I would like to maybe enter some local tournaments, so I want to be fluffy / competitive.
 

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Hey Alpha Legionnaire, sorry I missed your first post, I was writing a response to Fallen, and so it made it look like I just completely ignored your ideas.

The problem with obliterators is that they hang back and shoot whereas a Predator can move forward turns one and two up to 24 inches in support of the troops, probably the Noise Marines, while the Vindicator supports the CSM's.

The reason I took the Combi-Flamer on the Chaos Champion is that the unit has to always be moving forward because of its melta and can decide to stay inside the rhino if it likes lol, but if I run into a horde of Gaunts or Boyz that unit is severly lacking and I feel that evens the odds a bit. The Havoc Launcher on the Predator is because I have the spare points by that stage and I thought it would help it be versatile against hordes aswell as elites/MC's/Vehicles.

The tactic I was actually considering at some point was 5 CSM Havocs, x2 Missile Launchers, Rhino and a Havoc Launcher, this unit has a 48" range, can move to a good location and just blast away inside the Rhino. Even then I think Havocs in a Rhino are better than Obliterators as they are (A) more mobile and (B) a Lascannon only takes out the Rhino and not an Oblit.

Finally, I think Termicide is great although I think I might just use x3 Melta, or my fav x3 Plasma.

Also thanks for offering the Dread (are you giving it to me for free :) ?) but what I think I will do is convert a plastic Space Marine Venerable, use patches of greenstuff to act as Flayed skin drapped over the armour, have a Slaanesh banner (from the Daemonettes Box) on the back of it, and maybe try and convert a defiled corpse onto the banner aswell. The fluff behind the character would be he was the former, very depraved leader of the warband, who was entombed and is now crazy from a lack of sensation. I know people hate dreadnoughts, but I adore them fluff wise and to be fair, Missile Launcher, CCW + Heavy Flamer is only 105pts.

But please keep those comments coming as they are always helpful! :eek:k:
 

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Hey Right Hand of Khorne, I don't know if I really like the idea of using chosen especially like that. As I said, the Tyranids I face are more of a Nidzilla list, with a Swarmlord, Trygon Prime, Tervagon and Warriors and Zoanthropes.

But I'm not looking to tailor my list to any one opponent as I would like to be able to use it in some tournaments. So what would everybody with tournament experience think if they drew up against my 1500pts list?

Finally, I moved the 1500pts list up and into the original post for everyone's viewing convenience, so any other opinions / ideas?
 

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Hey Right Hand of Khorne, he actually usually does use x2 Hive Guard although he used x4 in the last game, and those indirect fire missiles are a b*tch lol.

Anyways I don't think I'll use chosen, to be honest I can't see the point of the unit, no extra attacks, not fearless, and 3 points more for either a free move or a random outflank. IMO 3 Termicides are better as at worst you will be 12" scattering and thats unlikely as the average is 6". But thanks for taking the time to comment.

But does no-one else have anything to say about the list? It seems awfully quiet for a board with so many views.
 

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I must admit I'm suprised to find myself defending the use of a Land Raider, on many threads I'm they guy saying how much they suck.

Why I have it in this list is because I have 400pts tied up in the Lord / Noise Marine combo and I think they need a big babysitter in the form of the LR in order to get them where they need to be. The ramp comes down 18 bolter shots, use Doom Siren, assult what is left, and because my Lord is Int 6 hopefully insta kill anything left, even if he fails my champion has 4 PW attacks, as well as 24 regular attacks from the NM. Whats not to like lol?

Plus if I'm playing a list with either a Hammerhead, or Lemon Russ' etc it can advance 12" pop smoke, then fire those two twin-linked lascannon shots at high priority targets and only after those are gone, deposit its contents.

It also makes the opponent choose between either it or the Vindicator, and that will leave my lascannon / autocannon wielding Predator to get into a great firing lane in turns one and two.

My only real concern is the thrid troop choice, I chose to duplicate the CSM squad from the 1000pts list, but would I be better served using just ten Lesser Daemons for 130pts and using those points for something more constructive? Or maybe a second Noise Marine squad instead, but what configuartion?

As always any and all comments are welcome. Am I wrong in my thinking? Am I missing a trick or two? Most importantly I would really enjoy any real comments about how people would react upon seeing this list in a tournament. So what do you say folks?
 
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