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Depends on the various theories.

On the one hand you have the Star Child theory, in that the Emperors soul is lost in the warp adrift from his body and if he were to die they would be reunited and he would be reborn as a new God, the Star Child and lead humanity on a new crusade.

Then theres the Illuminati, which is very similar. The Illuminati are trying to gather all the Sensei together(emperors decendents) and then when the Emperor fails and dies, kill all the Senei as one whose souls will be absorbed by the Emperor who will be reborn as the Senei-Emperor and again lead humanity on a new crusade.

And with the more recent rulebook and fluff the Golden Throne is apparently failing. So looking like he's not gonna be up there forever. Hopefully for mankind one of the above happens

Oh and some also think Cypher is heading towards Terra, possibly with the intention of kill the Emperor, either with the intention of releasing the Star Child or just to try and kill him off
 

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Will the Emperor of Mankind ever be resurrected?

Or will he just sit on the Golden Throne for ever?
Will we ever see the dawn of the 42nd Millennium?

It really all depends on the Keepers of the Lore at GW. Do they want to evolve the storyline, or leave it the way it is?

Were the Emperor to 'rise' from the Throne in one way or another, the W40K Universe would continue...it would just need to change in a dramatic way.

To answer your question then: yes, the Emperor undoubtedly 'could' be resurrected. Whether or not he will be is something that is, as of yet, undecided (so far as I know :) )
 

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Oh yeah, these are what Could happen. But its unlikely GW will do anything about it any time soon, maybe eventually a long long way down the line, as something like the Emperor dying/being reborn would drasticly alter the 40k universe
 

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Oh yeah, these are what Could happen. But its unlikely GW will do anything about it any time soon, maybe eventually a long long way down the line, as something like the Emperor dying/being reborn would drasticly alter the 40k universe
It will probably happen once they finally publish the last Horus Heresy book, and the folks at BL will gather around the table and say "We need to develop a new series".

To which Dan Abnett will respond: "I know, let's go forward with the resurrection of The Emperor - we will call the series: 'Revenge of the Emperor' "

And BAM...BL will have another bestselling series - with a little help from over anxious Star Wars geeks who don't read past the title before buying a book :laugh:
 

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What would hapen with the Imperium if the Emperor would suddenly resurrect/die? Wouldn't the Astronomican die off in both cases?
 

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If he died, as in with no resurection, the Imperium would be utterly screwed. Astronomican would go out rendering warp travel almost impossible. Then the warpgate in the palace itself would open and Terra would be overrun with deamons. Riots would engulf all imperial sectors, mass panic, revolutions, another civil war. The end of the Imperium essentially.

If he was resurected as a new god in the warp, he would be massively powerful, a god in his own right. I imagine he would be able to permanently close the gate on Terra, the astronomican would possibly be even more powerful than before, and the Imperium would truely have a god on their side. Riots and such would still probably break out, but the Imperium would definetly come out stronger for it. Primarchs may return such as The Lion, new crusades would be launched. Would usher in a new age of the Imperium and Humanity as a whole.
 

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Most people always seem to look at the extremley far-fetched optimistic theories without also realising the darker alternatives... :p

What would hapen with the Imperium if the Emperor would suddenly resurrect/die? Wouldn't the Astronomican die off in both cases?
Lets take into account that the Emperor couldn't realistically be revived physically, if anything there is small chance he could be reborn in the warp. Physically he is a frail and mangled half-skeleton, missing half his limbs and organs after having endured a horrible fate at the hands of Warmaster Horus. Ultimately he has only a very minimal number of cells and is still only 'alive' because he is interred in the mysterious stasis-tomb that is the Golden Throne. But because he is still interred in the Golden Throne, his body acts as an anchor for his soul in the Warp thus enabling him to guide the Astronomican, keep the Imperial Webway sealed, and protect humanity from the worst depridations of Chaos.

If he is disconnected from the Golden Throne (either through death or the near-impossible case of physical resurrection) then not only would the Imperial Webway be ripped open and Terra and the Sol System flooded with Daemons, but the Astronomican would be unguided and therefore worthless to the Imperial Navy thus ending the Imperium. Also without his protection humanity would automatically be subject to Chaos.

But this will never be implemented into the background because Games Workshop will never further the storyline up to a point where such a thing will happen.

If he was resurected, he would be massively powerful, a god in his own right.
Why would he be any more powerful than before?

I imagine he would be able to permanently close the gate on Terra
Again, he had years to do this throughout the Age of Darkness and was unable to, and hasn't been able to in the 10,000 years since his ascension. Why would he be able to do such a thing now?

the astronomican would possibly be even more powerful than before
Again, why?! :p

and the Imperium would truely have a god on their side. Riots and such would still probably break out, but the Imperium would definetly come out stronger for it. Primarchs may return such as The Lion, new crusades would be launched. Would usher in a new age of the Imperium and Humanity as a whole.
I personally hold that a physical revival of the Emperor is strictly impossible. But if such a thing did happen the Imperium would likely endure a civil war the likes which hasn't been seen since the Age of Apostasy or the Heresy itself. In fact probably much worse.
 

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I'm going off the theory of him being reborn as a god in the warp, should probably amend that. Not as a physical resurection

And completely agree about the civil war, like i said in the post, but i believe the Imperium would come out stronger in the end. As opposed to ceasing to exist if he died
 

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The civil strife that would ensure IF the old guy on life support were to be reborn would be unbelievable. He would destroy so much of humanity it would be unreal. He eliminated religions for a reason, only to wake up and the people that he was leading are now calling him a God. ALL BAD. He would be so pissed. Or the second theory ... the old guy on life support dies ... humans die out entirely fairly shortly afterwords.
 

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The civil strife that would ensure IF the old guy on life support were to be reborn would be unbelievable. He would destroy so much of humanity it would be unreal. He eliminated religions for a reason, only to wake up and the people that he was leading are now calling him a God. ALL BAD. He would be so pissed.
Personally I don't think that would be the main reason for the inevitable internal strife. The Emperor may have outlawed religion and cults in his day, but I imagine he would rationally understand that it has once again (possibly irrevertibly) become the crutch with which humanity survives. The main reason I think why there would be such massive amounts of revolt, civil war and unrest is because of his general return. Would the High Lords and Inquisition happily relinquish their power? Would they believe that the reborn Emperor is the same individual that led humanity 10,000 years ago? Or would they believe that his 10,000 years of constant agony, imprisonment and feeding off of human souls would have changed his mindset considerably? Would the common citizens believe it truly is the Emperor or just some imposter? Would the Astartes welcome him back? The list goes on really, but one thing is certain, the Imperium would likely tear itself apart in a civil war which Chaos and the Xenos would happily capitalise upon.

Or the second theory ... the old guy on life support dies ... humans die out entirely fairly shortly afterwords.
I doubt they would die out, they would be entirely subject to the whims of Chaos though.
 

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I imagine the Astartes would welcome him back, sure he would be able to show them it really is him. Even if the High Lords refused him, Astartes and the Emperor along with alot of Imperial Guard, it wont end well
 

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So, another interesting theory on the Emperor:

The Golden Throne is thought to have a problem and is breaking down. Except that it isn't and the Tech Priests just don't understand the technology any more. The Emperor is regenerating, and as parts of the Golden Throne are no longer needed for life support they are turning themselves off.

Flip reverse - the Emperor is almost dead and parts of the Golden Throne are turning themselves off as there is nothing left to keep alive.

Could go either way at the moment depending on where GW want to take 40k.
 

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IF the emperor is resurrected and IF he appears the same as he was before the heresy then I don't think that he'd have too much trouble retaking control. I'm not saying there won't be conflict but if you look at how people reacted to him when they met him in person, they practically jizzed themselves at the sight of him. You have to also remember that, despite his faults, he's still a major badass who managed to take control of Terra when mankind was on the verge of tearing itself apart. I don't think any high lord can compare to that.
Also, the astronomicum seemed to be working fine before the emperor was in the golden throne so him being resurrected shouldn't really make a difference. In fact, I think it might work better because the Emperor's will would be much more focused, not the fractured thing that talks to itself in the Inquisition War novel.
 

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It would be cool if when the Emperor came back his mind was somehow corrupted through the warp and he was under the influence ov chaos.
 

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It would be cool if when the Emperor came back his mind was somehow corrupted through the warp and he was under the influence ov chaos.
Not seeing the GW fluff writers liking that theory somehow...
 

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there is a rather good piece of homebrew fluff around here somewhere that is an interpretation of how the 40k universe looks another 10k years down the track. In this the big E dies and becomes a chaos god of order or discipline or something along those lines. He does not lead the imperium but instead becomes another player in the great game. i like to think that this is how things will go when the emp either dies or is reborn....

anyway if he was reborn then surely he would not be the same man. All that time with his mind in the warp under the pressure of anchoring the Astronomican and keeping that webway under the imperial palace closed, he'd probably come back bat-shit crazy and go on a rampage
 

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anyway if he was reborn then surely he would not be the same man. All that time with his mind in the warp under the pressure of anchoring the Astronomican and keeping that webway under the imperial palace closed, he'd probably come back bat-shit crazy and go on a rampage
You know that what you just said is HERESY? A thousand hells wai you heretic! :ireful2:
 

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Lets take into account that the Emperor couldn't realistically be revived physically, if anything there is small chance he could be reborn in the warp. Physically he is a frail and mangled half-skeleton, missing half his limbs and organs after having endured a horrible fate at the hands of Warmaster Horus. Ultimately he has only a very minimal number of cells and is still only 'alive' because he is interred in the mysterious stasis-tomb that is the Golden Throne.
There is a piece of fluff at the beguining of the =][= rulebook which say they have th tech to bring the emporer back (though admittedly this is immediately after he has been interred in the first place) but they don't do it purely for the fact that they feel his ressuscetation would divide humanity.

I can't see that he would have degraded too heavily after the 10,000 years, not with the Golden throne sustaining him. Remember that Bjorn has been in a dreadnaught for that long and hasn't deteriorated much more than when he was first interred, aside from his mega naps. The golden throne is much more powerful a life support system then a dreadnaught and i would imagine it would have better maintenance.

All that said i agree that they won't ever resolve the situation with the emporer. In fact i suspect the whole "golden throne is failing" line is as close to a reboot of the emporer that we will ever see.
 

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There is a piece of fluff at the beguining of the =][= rulebook which say they have th tech to bring the emporer back (though admittedly this is immediately after he has been interred in the first place) but they don't do it purely for the fact that they feel his ressuscetation would divide humanity.
Indeed there is, they are merely speculating though. I got the impression aswell last time I read that extract that the Emperor had died and that the Golden Throne was merely tethering his soul to his corpse, been a while since I read it but I remember that being the impression I got.

I can't see that he would have degraded too heavily after the 10,000 years, not with the Golden throne sustaining him. Remember that Bjorn has been in a dreadnaught for that long and hasn't deteriorated much more than when he was first interred, aside from his mega naps. The golden throne is much more powerful a life support system then a dreadnaught and i would imagine it would have better maintenance.
His body was completely fucked when it went in, leaving it stew for one hundred centuries obviously wouldn't have helped the situation. And as for Bjorn, well no one is expecting him to get out the Dreadnought, put on some Mark VIII Plate, pick up a Bolter, give his loyal fans a nice wolf howl and then lead the Space Wolves Chapter... In comparison some people seem to think thats what the Emperor will do: Simply stand up, put on some armour, grab his sword and bugger off to start a new Crusade.
 
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