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We would lose, we might inflict substantially more casualties on them than they us, but that won't matter. We would put up one hell of a fight, sure, but we would be screwed from the word go.
See I don't think we would resist, at least not in the long run. Initially we'd be like "Go away and leave us alone, we don't want to be part of you Imperium." (maybe, some nations would probably be more like "Yes, oh great and glorious space men. We Believe!") That would all change however the moment the Imperium decided to play rough. Orbital strikes at the White House, maybe the Eiffel tower and other such monuments, they don't even have to kill anything (though they will). And if the governments don't fold the people will. After all, it's not likely the Imperium's gonna come in all "Bow and be our slaves." more likely is the approach we see in the HH novels "Rejoice brothers, you are alone no longer. Come, join us in glorious illumination." People are gonna eat that up, especially if the alternative is fiery death.
 

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It would be a decent fight, just as i've always agreed on, not one that we can win.

Although it is actually nice to see that this hasn't just turned into a dozen children shouting about how good the SM are.

Yea, lots of civilians would die. but i think we are actually going into the whole situation a bit deeper than necessary here (i know i started it). My point is that the Forces available to the current armies of Earth, would have a decent fight to give.

Besides, we wouldn't even fight if given the choice. we would just be Annexed into the imperium.
 

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To be fair you actually said that we would win in a ground fight, which is largely what sparked off me entering this debate, as we wouldn't, ever.

And yeah like MEQinc said we wouldn't even reisist for that long. The moment we saw just how powerful they were and the damage they could do we would surrender.
 

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I'm inclined to believe that our troops would inflict more casulaties than they would take simply do to the nature of the fight and the tactics that would be used by your standard runofthemill regiment. From what I have seen, imperial guard troops lead the fight with massive walls of troops. That alone would seem to point to a higher kill ratio for our military. Although that is assuming we have time to mobilize troops. Many of which arn't currently based at home. By our standards, we would put up a good fight. But by imperial standards we would need to wipe out regiment, after regiment, after regiment to even begin to warrant a mention.

You both underestimate just how stubborn a beast humanity is. When you try and take away everything that we are, which could very well be the case, people will fight. All I know is that the south with go down in a blaze of whiskey induced glory.
 

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china could win in a purely ground based fight against an invading imperium army. Let alone a combined effort against say a good 20 or so countries.
 

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We don't carry enough ammo for a sustained firefight though. Your standard solider only carries 330 rounds of 5.56 on his person. And a machine gunner carries no more than 1000, and that is the equivalent of 10 minutes of firing. Whereas Lasguns can go for a fucking long time by the general look of things. We just wouldn't be able to keep it up. We wouldn't even try and face a paltoon sized strength that they would throw at us, we would pull back straight away and call in CAS, which at this point likely doesn't exist anymore
 

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No they couldn't. How do you come to this conclusion? The Imperium has an infinite amount of manpower. They have more tanks that the population. I don't even know why we are arguing this. We CANNOT win, under any circumstance. Your answer seems to be to keep restricting Imperial resources and tactics to the point where we aren't fighting the Imperium at all anymore
 

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china could win in a purely ground based fight against an invading imperium army. Let alone a combined effort against say a good 20 or so countries.
How do you figure? Numbers, the Imperiums got more. Training, the Imperiums is better. Experience, the Guards is greater. Technology, the Imperiums is the same or better. We have no advantage over them. They would wipe the floor with us if we resisted.

Fortunately I place enough stock in humanities pure chicken-sh!t survival instinct and our ability to roll-over and surrender. Any resistance would be completely wasted, no one would notice (in the Imperium) and no one would care (again in the Imperium) and anyone who did (people on Earth) would dam well keep their mouths shut if they don't want to get wasted.

EDIT: Chicken-swooping hawks! lol
 

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We arn't talking about earth Vs the imperium. We are talking about earth vs a imperial invasion force.

The 1/ a single chinese army has around a million soldiers, they have something like 27 armies.
 

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I think they can get something close to 100 shots per cell, at average power. As far as the numb of cells your average troops has, I have no clue. Although our weapons arn't even designed for their kind of warfare. The 5.56 was, in part, designed to wound and not kill outright. It was meant to fight a civilized enemy; by wounding 1 man you could potentionally tie up 2-3 others. The imperium won't give a damn. They may even trample their wounded.
 

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They still have more than them. The Imeprium, even as an invasion force

Superior numbers - check
Superior technology - check
Superior weapons - check
Superior mindset to win - check
Willingless to not give a fuck about the civilians and collateral damage - check
Intact communications - check
Enemies communications knocked out rendering them uncordinated and helpess - check

Its a no brainer here
 

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I think they can get something close to 100 shots per cell, at average power. As far as the numb of cells your average troops has, I have no clue. Although our weapons arn't even designed for their kind of warfare. The 5.56 was, in part, designed to wound and not kill outright. It was meant to fight a civilized enemy; by wounding 1 man you could potentionally tie up 2-3 others. The imperium won't give a damn. They may even trample their wounded.
Indeed, but 5.56 is likely not going to be able to penetrate carapace armour, it can't penetrate our body armour which isn't as good. Lasguns are going to be psychologically brutal aswell. Something you are all forgetting aswell. The psychological impact of being shot to peices by lasers and having an endless supply of relentless enemy thrown at you is going to break people on a massive scale
 

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You forgot the most important check, aerial superiority.

Edit: Argh, double post ninja thingy!

Most imperial trooper don't use full carapace armor.
 

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You forgot the most important check, aerial superiority.
The Imperiums got that and Space superiority. The highest ground available.

Most imperial trooper don't use full carapace armor.
No, but Flak armour is still pretty impressive. And carpace armour is standard on all Imperial Specialists and common enough on more veteran regiments.

We arn't talking about earth Vs the imperium. We are talking about earth vs a imperial invasion force.

The 1/ a single chinese army has around a million soldiers, they have something like 27 armies.
So they have a regiment, good for them. The Imperium would send several.
 

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Um.... MEQinc,
By definition, space isn't ground. Lol

Flack armor is fairly pathetic. I'm fairly sure a 7.62 would go through it.
 

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Since when has a single regiment in the Imperium been a million troops?

It says clearly in the end of necropolis that "warmaster macaroth unleashed his might on the planet, 6 million guardsmen, half a million tanks, squads drawn from 3 chapters of the astartes and 2 titan legions"

Now im not sure if im reading the correctly but it looks to me like macaroth has pulled a pretty big chunk of his fighting force to help out at verghast. And my maths arn't great but i think that 6million guardsmen don't outnumber 27million and counting chinese peoples.

And when has a million guardsmen ever been qouted as being a regiment?
 

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Um.... MEQinc,
By definition, space isn't ground. Lol
Dam, you caught me. Now my whole argument is useless. Nooooo.

Flack armor is fairly pathetic. I'm fairly sure a 7.62 would go through it.
Debatable, depending largely on how dangerous we chose to make the weapons of 40k. In any case, a lasgun will be equally effective against our troops.

Since when has a single regiment in the Imperium been a million troops?
Apparently never, though one would expect that they would have to be around that size before the Imperium would start referring to them as "massive", or detailing the "shear size" of such regiments. Also given that many worlds in the Imperium have populations in the trillions and are required to send 1/10th of their PDF a year (more if there's actually a war that needs fighting) I would imagine that some regiments would easily be this size.

It says clearly in the end of necropolis that "warmaster macaroth unleashed his might on the planet, 6 million guardsmen, half a million tanks, squads drawn from 3 chapters of the astartes and 2 titan legions"

Now im not sure if im reading the correctly but it looks to me like macaroth has pulled a pretty big chunk of his fighting force to help out at verghast. And my maths arn't great but i think that 6million guardsmen don't outnumber 27million and counting chinese peoples.
He scraped together 6 million men in a month, from all over a massive scale war, that's pretty decent. However, I think that the 'might' the quote is referring to likely has more to do with the Space Marines and Titan legions, also scrapped together in a month.

So congratulations, you have more people than they can get highly-trained killing machines in a month. You want a medal? Cause they're still gonna steam-roller you.

And when has a million guardsmen ever been qouted as being a regiment?
See above, it is not a quote but a logical assumption, feel free to disagree.
 

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7.62 is stopped by our soldiers regular body armour, so go figure.

And i serverly doubt that whas Maccroths full force, it would be his vanguard probably. Read Eisenhorn? That gives a pretty amazing account of a crusading army that is nowhere near the scale of the Sabbat Crusades.

And the Chinese military currently numbers just over 2 million men, hardly 27 million.
 

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Not his full force, but from the description it looks like what he could spare at that point.

I thought that the current 5.7x28mm ammunition could pentrate body armour ( i know that this is more of an uncommon type of round)

What are the Eisenhorn horn books about?
 
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