Different print runs of a Codex.

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Viscount Vash

Discussion Starter · Mar 11, 2007

Just had a chat with TYRANIDS the Living Metal rule on the Monolith and it seems that we have different things printed in our Codex.
(I now know that his is the newer one.)

Tyranids wrote:

I was looking at the codex when I wrote it "any weapon attacking the Monolith will roll for armour penetration using its unaugmented strength and a single D6 no matter what"

My codex does not say this at all!

It is fairly common fo GW to edit a later print run of a Codex without saying they have which can cause some annoying and un-needed auguments and disscusions.

If you have spotted any of these list them here so that we can all save time and much angst.

EDIT Please Do not quote whole passages of your Codex as this is against the old Copyright laws

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MarzM

· #21 · Mar 12, 2007

Swapping older wrong codex's!

Thats, sadly, about as likey as you walking into a GW on January the 1st and asking whats in the sale, and not being laughed at!

MarzM :mrgreen:

uberschveinen

· #22 · Mar 13, 2007

dakari-mane said:
& what does that prove? Nothing. Go to a GW & look for codex V3 or above.

That's exactly what I've done. Not only that, but looked for every other version of the codex I could find, to see if there was a trace anywhere of this rule. There wasn't.

dakari-mane said:
GW will often update a FAQ then once the codex has been updated remove the now superfluous bits from it. A good example of this would be the T5 Obliterators from the early versions of the chaos codex. They were later changed to T4(5) in a FAQ. The codex was then updated & the FAQ changed leaving a lot of people wandering round with chaos codex's showing their oblits as T5. Which is wrong.

What you're saying is, then, that there would have been a FAQ on this question for the period of time before the printing of this new codex. Curiously enough, there is no evidence of this FAQ whatsoever. If it had indeed changed, I would have hoped at least one person on one of the major fora would have noticed it and posted about it.

dakari-mane said:
Your lack of netiquette & frankly rude manner do you no favours. As for the post above where you were screaming like a wounded monkey I can only hope it is not a reflection of your regular behaviour.

It's called a telegram. I'd've thought most people would have heard of them at one point in their lives.

As for my last point, I brought it out because TYRANIDS sounded exactly like what I do when I know I've made a mistake, but can't admit it.

dakari-mane said:
Your codex is out of date. Pay some money to get a new one.

I looked into doing exactly that. Guess what? No change in the ruling.

Viscount Vash

Discussion Starter · #23 · Mar 13, 2007

Uberschveinen typed:

It's called a telegram. I'd've thought most people would have heard of them at one point in their lives.

LOL I must be one of the older UK members of this site and I have never seen one apart from in movies older than me.
I think they stopped them here in the later 1960s. :lol:

uberschveinen

· #24 · Mar 13, 2007

I know they stopped using them. I didn't know they stopped telling people about them, given that they were the primary means of communication for a few centuries. They certainly were a more significant communications revolution than anything else since.

Viscount Vash

Discussion Starter · #25 · Mar 13, 2007

BUT STOP WHOS STOP ACTUALLY STOP SEEN STOP ONE STOP
These days in the age of texts and e-mails, capitals are universally considered as just shouting.

Anyhoo this is way of thread and my bad too!

TYRANIDS

· #26 · Mar 13, 2007

well i just tried my scaner but unfortunately it doesnt work so i cannot show you wargamers my book

As for my last point, I brought it out because TYRANIDS sounded exactly like what I do when I know I've made a mistake, but can't admit it

i havnt made a mistake i copied it directly from the codex although my spelling was not up to scratch it is straigth out of my codex apart from physically flying over just to show you is there another way for me to show you yousing me computer that runs off 'snail' power and dial up[/quote]

the cabbage

· #27 · Mar 13, 2007

TYRANIDS said:
yes however it is users stregth times two wich makes it augmented so that means they would only use the bearers stregth as any other weapon would weapons such as venom cannons would not recive the +2 strength

Just plain wrong (IMO) the WEAPONS BASIC strength is the USERS STRENGTH doubled. For a marine this means the basic strength is 8. This is not augmented in any way. (the user is).

uberschveinen

· #28 · Mar 13, 2007

Fine. If your codex is genuinely different, then somebody else will have the same codex with the same sentence. If somebody can find a person with a codex from the exact same period, this argument will finally die.

dakka artist

· #29 · Mar 13, 2007

I wonder how this unaugmented strenght thing would affect ork Zzap guns (being 2D6 Strenght)

don_mondo

· #30 · Mar 13, 2007

TYRANIDS said:
yes however it is users stregth times two wich makes it augmented so that means they would only use the bearers stregth as any other weapon would weapons such as venom cannons would not recive the +2 strength

But your example says weapons unaugmented strength, not users, yes or no? The Weapons unagmented strength is 2xusers strength. Course, since none of us can find this codex.... Is it perchance a non-english version?

Ordo Xeno Commander

· #31 · Mar 14, 2007

i have found the answer to our problem with the augmented argument, this is directly from the Necron codex FAQ :

When attacking a monolith, extra penetration dice and DOUBLING scores are much the same thing - dont count ANY bonus penetration of ANY sort against a monolith. So no bonuses for multiple Talos attacks, tank hunter, veteran skills, etc.
The ONLY exception is the Vindicare assasin's turbo-penetrator round. as this shell is not bonus penetration as such, it will work. Note that you still roll 2D6 and pick the higher when attacking a monolith with ordnance weapons.

There SOLVED!!!

uberschveinen

· #32 · Mar 14, 2007

I already said this.

Also, you should get a moderator to blow up some of that triple post.

Ordo Xeno Commander

· #33 · Mar 14, 2007

sory, mi internet screws up. yea, and i quoted it so no one can argue about it, and i emphasised the important parts

Ordo Xeno Commander

· #34 · Mar 14, 2007

don_mondo said:
TYRANIDS said:

yes however it is users stregth times two wich makes it augmented so that means they would only use the bearers stregth as any other weapon would weapons such as venom cannons would not recive the +2 strength

Click to expand...

But your example says weapons unaugmented strength, not users, yes or no? The Weapons unagmented strength is 2xusers strength. Course, since none of us can find this codex.... Is it perchance a non-english version?

sory mate tyranids is right. its in my version to AND in the FAQ

oh and its user unaugmented strength, not weapon.

uberschveinen

· #35 · Mar 14, 2007

Alright, then, can YOU post a photograph or a scan or something?

Ordo Xeno Commander

· #36 · Mar 14, 2007

yea ill grab a print screen, give me a mo

Ordo Xeno Commander

· #37 · Mar 14, 2007

argh, not wanting to work atm, ill try tomorrow

Viscount Vash

Discussion Starter · #38 · Mar 14, 2007

Well at last it seems to be sorted! Hurrah!

So no Extra d6 except , Ordanance, Vindicare's Turbo penetrator rounds.

Just to be clear the Zzap gun will still roll 2d6 for it strength as its not a penetration die bonus.

Go look here

All the other Codex Errata can be found Here

Now wasn't that fun :lol:

don_mondo

· #39 · Mar 15, 2007

Ordo Xeno Commander said:
i have found the answer to our problem with the augmented argument, this is directly from the Necron codex FAQ :

When attacking a monolith, extra penetration dice and DOUBLING scores are much the same thing - dont count ANY bonus penetration of ANY sort against a monolith. So no bonuses for multiple Talos attacks, tank hunter, veteran skills, etc.
The ONLY exception is the Vindicare assasin's turbo-penetrator round. as this shell is not bonus penetration as such, it will work. Note that you still roll 2D6 and pick the higher when attacking a monolith with ordnance weapons.

There SOLVED!!!

OK, so no doubling of penetration dice. Got it. So by this quote, there is no effect on a power fist since it doubles STRENGTH, not penetration, right?

Viscount Vash

Discussion Starter · #40 · Mar 15, 2007

EDIT When I first put this up it was not clear what I was saying, sorry sloppy work.

When attacking a monolith, extra penetration dice and DOUBLING scores are much the same thing - dont count ANY bonus penetration of ANY sort against a monolith. So no bonuses for multiple Talos attacks, tank hunter, veteran skills, etc.
The ONLY exception is the Vindicare assasin's turbo-penetrator round. as this shell is not bonus penetration as such, it will work. Note that you still roll 2D6 and pick the higher when attacking a monolith with ordnance weapons.

Doubling your strength is NOT a bonus penetration D6 to roll and NOT Doubling your Penetration score from a D6. It is your strength, just your stength and only that and therefore NOT modfied in any way by the Living Metal rule.

Or to put it another way Powerfists give you a strength bonus not a penetration bonus.
Presuming that The Wraithlord still has a toughness (Ain't got that Codex yet.) and not an armour value, you could use this as a rule of thumb 'If it does not help wound a Wraithlord its canceled by the Living Metal rule'.

Now please stop messing with my melon TYRANIDS. :wink:

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