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Discussion Starter #61 (Edited)
Scans are out, I'm sure those who are interested in such things knows where to find them.

I dont have the WD with the rules so dont know if there are any changes in points costs.

Stormtalon Gunship 110Points
BS 4 11/11/11 2HP

Can change twin-linked heavy bolter for
Skyhammer missile launcher 15pts Range 60", S7 Ap4 - Heavy 3
Twin-linked lascannon 30pts
Typhoon missile launcher 35pts

Any change from the WD version?

Stormraven Gunship 200pts
BS 4 12/12/12 3HP

4 Storm strike missiles Range 72", S8 Ap2 -Concussive, One use only
Replace assault cannon with, plasma or lascannon for free
Heavy bolter for multi melta free, typhoon missile launcher 25pts
Side sponson hurricane bolters 30pts
Searchlight 1pt
Extra armour 5pts
Locator beacon 10pts

Blood Angel codex one has locator beacon at 15pts and extra armour at 15pts, same with the GK codex one (except the Locator beacon is called Teleport homer). GK one costs 205 because it has those special GK immunities.


I guess all SM factions will be able to use the Nephilim in a few months as well.
 

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Seems the people at Nova will be adding the new rules to the Nova FAQ.
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via Mike Brandt at Whiskey & 40k
How to Handle a $30 Direct-Only "Errata" as a TO
So, Games Workshop released its Death from the Skies booklet, changing rules for several common and popular fliers in the game of 40k, adding them to codices, and only selling it direct order ... plus, selling it.

It's like an errata you have to pay $30 for.

The NOVA will be handling this by incorporating the new rules changes into the NOVA FAQ. You will not need to own a copy of Death from the Skies or an IPAD in order to use the new rules. Because that would just be terribly inconsiderate toward a customer base.
 

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Next will be all the sooking and bitching when GW issues the C&D I suppose.
 

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And there's a FAQ allready on their website ... GW is becoming so bloody hilarious ...
Why can't they just sell ... complete and proof-read products ...
 

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Next will be all the sooking and bitching when GW issues the C&D I suppose.
I'm curious to know if Nova can really put the changes into their FAQ, or what parts of this compendium that they can.

One way to do it would be to simply list the subtracted changes.

Example:
Storm Raven
Upgrade:
Locator Beacon -Costs 10 points less than your codex entry

With this they dont actually break GWs Copyright, not as far as I'm aware.

I dont think they can add those Fighter Ace rules, they are a waste for the most part though, 50pts for each flier to get a D3 chart of effects.

The Stormraven for all SM could look like this.

Storm Raven, any SM army may take a stormraven for the same points cost as listed in codex BA, must replace Bloodstrike missiles with BumBum missiles (that so happens to have the same stats as the new missile).

I'm sure there are ways of doing it, it's either this or simply banning the book outright as it's nothing more than an errata you have to pay for.

Why should someone get to have cheaper or better fliers than another person simply because they bought this compendium.


Who are Nova ?
From what the voices in my head are telling me it's one of the biggest wargaming conventions in the US. They also host one of the biggest 40k tournaments where some of the best players in the US compete.
I could be wrong though as I've never been but pretty much every podcast (all US based ones for sure) I listen to has mentioned, promoted and talked about Nova.

You can read more at: http://www.novaopen.com/
 

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They might just be reproducing the whole thing and saying fuck it , take us to court, likely it would cost gw more to take them to court to recoup the loss than the loss would make them anyway.
Perhaps but would they have a choice? If they dont wouldn't that mean anyone could copy anything from any of their books and post it on the net?
 

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They might just be reproducing the whole thing and saying fuck it , take us to court, likely it would cost gw more to take them to court to recoup the loss than the loss would make them anyway.
What they do is simply work out the loss and then simply apportion this across the other products they sell.

One of the reasons we pay the prices that we do.

Once GW prices go up all the other Mini manufactures are then clear to follow suit and the whole cycle starts again.

So really in the end we are the ones who loose out.

Perhaps but would they have a choice? If they dont wouldn't that mean anyone could copy anything from any of their books and post it on the net?
Not really, copyright does still exist in that case but for sure any case they might bring is weakened
 

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Perhaps but would they have a choice? If they dont wouldn't that mean anyone could copy anything from any of their books and post it on the net?
No, copyright doesn't work like that. Trade Marks have to be enforced like that, or they become invalid, but not copyright.
 

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So I can copy everything in any rulebook and post it online as long as I only post the rules, points costs etc. But no fluff or pictures?
 

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So I can copy everything in any rulebook and post it online as long as I only post the rules, points costs etc. But no fluff or pictures?
If that's aimed at me no.... I said it "doesn't have to be" not "it wont be". ;)

I think the poster above was trying to say that they could publish differences as they are not actually breaching copyright, as it wasn't anything actually printed. I'd be tempted to think it would be a "derivitive work" but then you are into the real of different laws in different places, and how much GW wants to push it......

The safest bet is not to ever try and re-print anything that's copyright, without express permission.
 

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Which is why in my home town I cannot buy any PP products and they don't maintain a local shop specialising in just PP products. I can't even buy hard copies of the PP stuff because no one bothers to stock them, why would they when you can get it all free. Also why bother collecting the PP stuff when there is nowhere to play the game. For that reason there is ZERO interest yet the GW games are booming.

There maybe a following for PP but the just simply do not have the global reach that GW does and will find it very difficult to assail GW's market unless there is some massive shift in the gaming community. I don't see that happening, of the guys in my area no one is the slightest bit interested in anything other than WHFB or 40K and that is not from lack of looking at other game systems.

The main reason is that no other game system has the level of polish and support of GW and that counts.
That really depends on where you live. Every FLGS iv been to in this corner of the states has warmachine and hordes nights just like a 40k and whfb nights. I dont even play a PP game system as I prefer 40k but that's because 40k is less about your super awesome heroes and the regular old troops, however all of my good friends from college/high school all play warmachine, so i have had lots of exposure.

Though you are correct on 2 points, 1; PP doesnt have their own stores, but from what I understand that is by choice and they prefer to sell through your flgs. 2; they do not have the global reach of Gw since they have only been in business for a 1/4 of the time. Give them time, as i know their presence around here is pretty huge, and if you go to any hobby store around NOT GW then they will be more supported than even 40k. Shit at PAX prime, this was the first time GW even had a table, and it was half the size of the PP setup...and up stairs in the land of shitty games and terrible vendors. Didnt stop me from purchasing a bunch of dkok though :)

Excuse any typos, on the bus into work so on my phone.
 

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So I can copy everything in any rulebook and post it online as long as I only post the rules, points costs etc. But no fluff or pictures?
You can post the points costs I believe but "in your own words" so basically if you reformat it it's kind of OK.

I just wait for an Army Builder update myself and usually end up buying the book any way.
 

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The Apocalypse 40K blog just posted the pics for the Storm Raven and Storm Talon

You can check em here before GW sends in their lawyers
http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.fi/2013/02/storm-raven-and-storm-talon-rules.html
Nah, I'm good. I got the book instead of skulking about the internet looking for scanned copies.

Like I said in my overview the book is really only for a few people: those who collect all the books anyways, those who like campaigns and want more ideas, those who want alternate missions, and those who want the new flyer options for Black Templars and Vanilla Marines.

When you consider that it makes a lot of sense that it's direct only because it's not a mass appeal item. Either way I'm glad I picked up an actual copy because I'm a couple of those groups (collection and like reading about campaign ideas, though I may end up being the third as well).
 

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Discussion Starter #78 (Edited)
Like I said in my overview the book is really only for a few people: those who collect all the books anyways, those who like campaigns and want more ideas, those who want alternate missions, and those who want the new flyer options for Black Templars and Vanilla Marines.
It's also for those who want cheaper upgrades for the Stormraven or for GK players who want to use the Stromraven as Heavy Support instead of Fast Attack.

I need more Heavy Support but still want Ravens, I'll just use the GK codex. Need more FA but want Ravens anyway? I'll just use the Supplement and get cheaper upgrades as well.

Or I'll use both at the same time, regular codex to get 3 Ravens in FA and this errata get to 3 Ravens in Heavy Support. Can't find anywhere where it says you cant or that this errata removes the option to do so.

Yupp, makes sense to me...
 

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It's also for those who want cheaper upgrades for the Stormraven or for GK players who want to use the Stromraven as Heavy Support instead of Fast Attack.

I need more Heavy Support but still want Ravens, I'll just use the GK codex. Need more FA but want Ravens anyway? I'll just use the Supplement and get cheaper upgrades as well.

Or I'll use both at the same time, regular codex to get 3 Ravens in FA and this errata get to 3 Ravens in Heavy Support. Can't find anywhere where it says you cant or that this errata removes the option to do so.

Yupp, makes sense to me...
Gray Knights still have to take theirs as Fast Attack as per the FAQ for this Compendium so that doesn't work.
 

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So are you meant to use the wargear in the errata or from your codex?
I paid £20 for this book and because of this I get cheaper wargear for my flier. I wonder if they will FAQ the BA and GK codex to lower the points costs to what's in the errata.
 
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